This whole article was completely taken out of context to support your skewered view on the election. Shame shame!

What arguments, are you looking for?

You admit to middle class being scum. You admit to hating the supposed “values” you have imbibed with your social status.

Those are your words, not mine.

Cognitive dissonance, is not irratioanilsm, imaginism, or magic realism. That’s Breton, Borges, and OULIPO.

If you are not R68, then why did you make a poster for the RNC convention?

You don’t want to join us in our work, because you tell me I assume the structure never worked. I don’t assume anything, I observe your logic. It’s you who measure whether or not something works, on the basis of self-centered moralistic criteria. You have no objective measure other than your ego.

You say the word “Clinton” equals killer. That’s your right to say it, and think it, but its stupid. I cannot bring myself to elaborate.

Recreate 68 and youth, have less in common than you can understand. All social movements are top down and manipulate the likes of yourself, for ther practical purpsoes. You can come to Denver to make whatever statements you chose, but it will pale in comparison with the statement your organizer will use you for.

You say Obama will support the white supremacist structure- you are close to a middle age crisis, five years away, I suppose your getting premonitions of what is to come. I am not White, in the sense you use the word, and I fail to see the white supremacist structure.

You claim we conflate data, in our discussion of R68, and Obama. I just love such comments. Please state the specific conflation. THen we will have something to debate. From what we presented here, the situation is clear, UA is a conduit for confrontation, which R68 does not disavow.

Look, find yourself a woman, get married, and then go kicking society in the shins. Maybe you’ll move beyond your conceited criteria, into somethign broader more concrete, less wishy-washy and rhetorical.

People often ask me, why I even spend time on comments such as yours. I suppose I expect something interesting on your part.

I appreciate your frankness… but I maintain, you are disconected from reality- you live in some kind of solitary dream world, judged solely by your dream criteria, and subject only to your dreams.

There is a certain poetic quality to all anarchists, which is largely measure in a poor vocabulary, inability to rhyme, and millenial platitudes. In ten years you’ll have hit your nirvana - and become like the Charlatan from Indian Antiquity , doing their meditations, begging for food and money, and encouraging worship of the lingam. That’s what 68 ads up to.

Its a disconnect - from other modes of life - and I don’t think we can bridge it. You are fodder for delusion and delirium of charismatic leadership.

You hate yourself - and that’s fine for you, but not for me. I wont have you encouraging me, or my society to do the same. In fact, I will defend society, against your hate, whoever you may have it for.

I rather love the middle class - and for my mother’s generation, it was a dream, which I applaud her for achieving. You can talk about killers and white supremacists, but you dont speak for anyone but yourself. You dont’ speak for the 1.4 million Iraqi children you stupidly an inaccurately accuse your government of killing, you don’t speak for any third world countries, and you dont’ speak for any victims. You dont’ speak for anyone, but your bored, confused, and self-hating self.

At bottom, that is all your cognitive dissonances is about, about the horrible burden of having to dislike yourself because of what you are and how you live, and having to explain why your world is devoit of concrete love. you should cry more- its a better solution than hatred.

surely it is not you alone who has finished growing, and none of the rest of us?

an optimism of the will and a pessimism of the intellect.

(by the way, i have nothing whatever to do with recreate 68.)

anyhow (before i go i should compliment you on your deft and intrepid debating skills… everyone will be very impressed that i have been threatened with expulsion for.. what exactly? maybe everyone knows that you actually have powerful and concise arguments tucked away somewhere but you have withheld them out of generosity, rather than embarrassing me by actually presenting solutions to challenges raised. (but you are right, i never would have seen it coming.))

sorry to have embarrassed you to the point of anger.. just trying to introduce an unorthodox thought or two into the static. nothing personal.

you have a logical problem, if you can disasociate yourself from the criteria you have, and those society is trying to satisfy.

There is no conversation with an irrationalist. You belong in a zoo, where you can live out your jungle utopia. No words, or logic, just blah blah. Pathetic. It’s obvious why you are so easy to manipulate into Recreating 68, because you are a self-serving moral masturbatory, an anarchist struck in his adolescence. Artist, with his outstanding posters. Pity the fool.

Hillary Clinton might have just reached Terry McAuliffe’s prediction of raising $10 million since the polls closed in Pennsylvania. The Washington Post reports that the campaign has taken in more than $10 million, according to campaign ……

http://www.newsmax.com/john_leboutillier/barack_obama_hillary/2008/04/25/90992.html

[Its great to hear from an Anarchist, since we are writing about you.]
i am indeed an anarchist, as you have noted, however i see little evidence that you are talking about me. i will keep reading.

[If you actually bothered to read the posts, I am sure you may have noticed, that while “you” may be neutral on the DNC and RNC, many of your buds congregating in Denver under R68 auspices, are not.
You should take up your complaint with R68, and disassociate yourself from those who are going to use your presence, for their own political means.]

i think you (among many others on this site.) conflate otherwise unrelated data in order to maintain this theory.
though i can see the phenom nearly enough that i can imagine how you might be teasing out such alliances.
perhaps as the obama voters are much younger on average, they are of an internet generation that has transcended the mental trap of nationalism and therefore may have come to view US politics very much as the youth of the world does.
with that in mind, they would have to TRY NOT to listen in order to miss the fact that for much of the worlds poor, the word ‘clinton’, like ‘bush’, like ‘reagan’.. translates roughly as ‘killer’.
1.5 iraqis starved to death, at least a third of them children… the bombing of eastern europe, the bombing of iraq,..somalia…

all of that springs to the mind of an international ear when one hears the name ‘clinton’ .. i probably agree with your opponents on this point.

however, i have no doubt that obama will be as much an advocate for white male supremacy as the clintons have proven to be over the years. he will make just as effective a killer as she.. comes with the job,

[I can easily identify, as I am sure many voters can, with the idealistic parts of your discourse, although it is lost in the gibberish about Democracy and “sham”. Of course it is easier for you to chuck rocks at face democracy, than actually join us in making it work. No work- ethic. Who needs it, chucking rocks is easier, right?]

“join us in making it work”
there are enormous assumptions embedded here.
first, that the structure you would point me toward was EVER designed to facillitate democracy.
on the contrary, ‘democracy’ was precisely what these elites were worried for. that is exactly why they did not found a democracy, favoring instead a ‘constitutional republic’.
(you know the line from madison..’ ..to protect the minority of the opulent from the majority.’)

so fast forward 200+ years and a voter can walk into a booth in wyoming and kill 13 votes in california?

our differences are not to be found in our opinions of democracy ‘the ideal’, but rather from the standpoint that you see this mode of government as something that resembles democracy and can be subtly maneuvered into a position where the actual desires and initiatives of the community would rise and find life.
i thought so for decades.
i certainly do not think so now.
this could be said; you seem to see a patient in need of a doctor where i see a corpse in need of a digger.

[I would welcome a renunciation of violence from you. And also a statement, on whether like all your buddies, you consider Middle Class American’s scum and collaborators in this “Democratic Sham”.]
i am sure we would disagree on what ‘violence’ means.
so i would say instead; i would not participate in, nor advocate intentionally and offensively harming any living thing.
yet somehow i do not think that is what you mean.
and juanita. i AM ‘middle class american scum’ alot of that has to do with growing up in a suburban american context. as a result, a good deal of my rhetoric is SELF undermining… a criticism that points as inwardly as outwardly.
(wondering also if the minneapolis police dept has ‘renunciated’ violence,.. or any police department anywhere? ever? or the US empire? how long should those around the world wait patiently for you to stop this thing the way you have proscribed? would you entertain the same experiment in patience if it was you children who had bombs falling into thier lives? i doubt it.)

[That is, after all, what I find scribbled all over your websites. It is, what you represent- a hatred for society, because it doesnt’ meet your criteria, and you lack the patience to dedicate your life to constructively improving it.]
so it is you who decides what is constructive?
and you write ..hatred for “society”.. as if society was static and singular. on the contrary, the earth is teeming with societies, many of them exceedingly more just, equitable, and democratic than the one you have singled out to refer to as ’society’.
society doesn’t meet my criteria?!? are you kidding?? i am a 35 year old white heterosexual male american. THIS society is positively falling all over itself to satisfy me, to the detriment of most of the worlds people and their environments.

[Or am I speaking to a rare exception? Please, elaborate. You’ve gotten our attention.]
i wouldn’t hope to suggest i was any sort of “exception” especially as this would mean accepting your perceptions and premises about the normative. i do not.
allright, goodnight. would continue if you had any additional questions.
ian

Its great to hear from an Anarchist, since we are writing about you.

If you actually bothered to read the posts, I am sure you may have noticed, that while “you” may be neutral on the DNC and RNC, many of your buds congregating in Denver under R68 auspices, are not.

You should take up your complaint with R68, and disassociate yourself from those who are going to use your presence, for their own political means.

I can easily identify, as I am sure many voters can, with the idealistic parts of your discourse, although it is lost in the gibberish about Democracy being a “sham”.

That said, you find it easier to design posters and chuck rocks at “fake” democracy, than actually joining us in making it work. No work- ethic in Anarchy - who needs it, cocktails are so much fun! All you need is a provocation, and bang, you’ve got your reason for anger. Anarchy, it does your rage some good.

I would welcome a renunciation of violence from you. And also a statement, on whether like all your buddies, you consider Middle Class American’s scum and collaborators in this “Racist and Imperialist System” of ours.

That is, after all, what I find scribbled all over your websites. That we are scum. It is, what you represent- a hatred for society, because it doesnt’ meet your criteria, and you lack the patience to dedicate your life to constructively improving it.

Or am I speaking to a rare exception? Please, elaborate. You’ve gotten our attention.

You can also offer your opinion, on why in this sham democracy of ours, the cause you are joining, is dedicated not to truth in media and politics, which would require you clearly identify Clinton as a victim of Discrimination, but to busting our party.

Logic, please.

anyhow, wanted to comment because i made the above poster in response to an open call from http://www.nornc.org. it was no diabolical secret… sorry to burst your bubble. (tin foil hats indeed.)
i am neither an obama OR a clinton supporter. nor am i a mccain supporter. nor am i a rove or bush supporter. follow? just a solitary artist who makes posters, and like hundreds of millions of others i support DIRECT community democracy, not this absurdist sham of ‘representatives’ via electoral boondoggle.
[if anyone would like a nice HIres version of the above poster, just go to;
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3860464/radical_poster_(invitation_advert_to_crash_the_RNC)
(torrent)
be well y’all, and dont forget to lubricate. (chafing)