Mar 11 2008

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Juanita Gonzales

Geraldine Ferraro is Right,

Posted at 7:45 pm under Lies, Postures, etc...

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and if Hillary wants to win this election, she should make this clear! Hillary supporters expect her to stand-up for the truth, and the time to do this is now! It’s time Hillary make it clear to those who speak their opinion, whether wrong or right, that they will not be criminalized for doing so. Disagreement is not a crime, but to suggest otherwise, is criminal! Let Hussein make such suggestions, because it clarifies what he means by unity, agreement, and concord.

Hillary! It is time to put an end to Obama’s victimhood fable, which is becoming the bedrock of his success. To put an end to the sense of entitlement this fable generates among all quarters of the Obama camp in the Democratic party, the media, and (even) abroad! It is time to send a clear message to all americans, that your skin color does not automaticlally empower you to judge who is and isn’t a racist. That your hypersensivity doesn’t give you a blanket right to interpret other’s mention of race, or gender, to your political advantage, and that your hypersensitive is illegitimate, and abusive.

It is time to stand up to the notion that speaking of race, is tantamount to being racist. To stand up to the ubiquitous all too clear and pernicious social message that if you’re not black, you are not allowed to so much as mention race in relation to Obama, unless it is to flatter.

The time to stop this mania, this disease, this sickness that the Obama campaign has unleashed is now! Stop the bamboozling and the hoodwinking, and stop it now! Stand up for our rights, and stand up now!

I am fed up, fed up, literally, with all this noise about Sexism and Racism in this primary. I’ve had it up to here with the hypersensitivity, with the victimizations. To the Maureen Dowds and Ariana Huffingtons, your infatuation with Obama is hypersexual, cheap, and about as deep as your superficial understanding of this country. Your inane beliefs that racism and sexism are on equal footing in this primary, are dead wrong, stupid.

Sexism and racism in this primary are as different as they are in everyday American life. I am tired of hearing them put on equal footing, tired of hearing them used in the same breath. Tired of having them brought up, and tired of hearing that “it isn’t Obama that brings up his race” Tired of the lies, the slurs, the insinuations.

You may recall my propensity for thought experiments, so let’s perform one to help us clarify the difference between two very different terms, very different legacies, and very different social dynamics of sexism and racism.

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Imagine Barack Obama telling a journalist “you know, the Suffragets, women’s rights? It was under the William G. Harding administration that the 19th amendment was finally passed.”

Now imagine Hillary’s campaign confidants shooting back “Obama plays gender card! Downplays role of Silvya Pankhurst, and Susan B. Anthony.” This is then followed by a unceasing media chorus of “Who the Hell is Harding?” and “Gender-baiter Obama”, and “Learn History Whiner.” Famous feminists like Gloria Anzaldua, or Audre Lorde, denounce Obama on radio, and their denouncements are posted on Hillary’s website juxtaposed to her “message to women” consisting of the words “Hillary’s story, is your story.”

Now imagine the Democratic party Senators weighing in, and one of them carrying the last name “Wilson” shifting his superdelegate vote in favor of Hillary from Obama, because he is upset that Obama’s “gender-baiting” statement mentioned only Harding, when in fact the 19th amendment was proposed by his grand-father, Woodrow Wilson.( what am I referring to? Ted Kennedy grilled Clinton for mentioning Lyndon B. Johnson without referring to his brother, John F. Kennedy. This tipped Kennedy’s vote in favor of Obama. Kennedy’s, you know them, don’t you?)

Imagine all that.

Can’t?

Neither can I, because it’s nonsense. It doesn’t work, and couldn’t happen. The media wouldn’t click, and voters would consider it cheap posturing and tasteless politicking, opening Hillary to ridicule.

Our imaginary “Obama the gender-baiter’s” failure to mention Anthony and Pankhurst, would be considered “deliberate marginalization” only by psychopaths. Most people would easily be willing to speak out against such psychopaths, and the affair would would become moot.

What this illustrates, is that the potential to divide and scandalize with gender discrimination, is generally low. The potential to squeeze gender laden language, sexist or otherwise, is equally limited. Unless exceedingly blunt, sexism lacks the flair and controversy, the nastiness and political potential of racism and race-baiting.

Which explains why when Michelle Obama said

“Our view is that if you can’t run your own house, you certainly can’t run the White House,”

everyone forgot about it.

When Obama girl took over the internet -punching the aged wife of George Bush Sr. in one clip, boobing an Obama poster in another- where were the Obama denunciations? Where were the media accusations of Obama complicity with “sexism”? Where were the calls to disavowal?

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Sexism, unlike racism, is so common and everyday in America, that it is indistinct from the relationship between American women and men. Sexism is part of a complicated fabric of our culture, heatedly debated in universities, but flowing silently like an artesian spring, deep beneath the earth The world rolls on.

America has a media culture where Machismo is far blunter than anything in Latin America, but you wouldn’t notice it, because the largest source of this Machismo comes from black rap wherein slurs like “bitch,” and gangs of bikini clad whores literaly harem about hypermuscular, sexed up, tight lipped, in-your-face pit-bulls who consider the word “nigger” a compliment.  You wont find something this extreme in Mexico, you wont find it in Brazil, you wont find it in blatantly chauvinist and sexist Islamic countries, you wont find it anywhere, except in America. Nothing, absolutely nothing is done about it.

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Were America’s chauvinist culture treated with the same degree of scrutiny as America’s tiny white supremacist culture, or the rare anti-black sentiment of recent immigrants of non-European origin, our advertising, our schooling, our news coverage, our consumption, would look nothing like they do today. Black identity, I dare say, would look nothing like it looks today. Our Hollywood films, would look nothing like they do today. The internet, with its burgeoning porn industry, would look nothing like it looks today.

You’d think the likes of Ariana Huffington would know this from personal experience, and could be less orgasmic in their Obama-mania. Could do less pandering to Hossama’s race-baiting and victimization, less disparating of Hillary, and if need be to speak of both sexism and racism, not pretend that these are equal sins, with equal impact on voter behavior and preferences.

When running for Governor of California,  Arnold Schwartzeneger suggested he had a role for Ariana in his next film. The suggestion was explicitly refering to a scene where the “Governator” dunks the head of a female victim in a toilet. No one took note, and Ariana’s obvious shame  did not contribute. Today, her blog is among the leading sources of the notion that sexism, and racism, are equal.

They aren’t. Never had been, and  never will be.

Racism is relatively easy to tackle, because it is easy to identify, analyze, and legislate against. It is called a “hate crime.” Basta.

Sexism touches upon the relationship between every woman and man in this world, reflecting a biological distinction present in the everyday life of each and every individual. It is not, like racism, an easily identifiable act of discriminating on the basis of gender. It is a complex set of social norms originating from what  it means to be feminine and masculine based on what it means to  being a male and a female; a biological distinction which unlike race and ethnicity, is universal to the entire human species.

Sexism, is a nebulous term, which is hard to milk because its not easy to infer.

Racism is a precise term, relatively easy to infer, and bearing enormous explosiveness.  Just imagine.
Imagine me saying:

1) I hate Obama. I hate his guts. I dispise and dislike the man.

and

2) I hate Hillary, I hate her guts. I despise and dislike the woman.

It is a great deal easier to infer discrimination in the first case, than in the second, because the chance that the Obama hater is from the same ethnic group as Obama is far lower than the chance that the Hillary hate is a male. Once the hater is not from the same group, the word “hate” immediately calls the word “racism” to mind. Nothing of the kind occurs with the I hate Hillary scenario.

It is also absolutely clear, in the Democratic Primary of 2008, that “hating” Obama is a criminal offense if you’re not black. That even among blacks -based on our readers comment and our own observations- hating Obama is increasingly perceived as betrayal, or self-hatred, speaks volumes.

Now if you happen to hate Hillary in 2008, oh now there someone should have archived Obama’s blogs, or go through all the Hillary-hatred out there. That would have been years and years of documenting and work!

What were seeing with this comparison, is the erosion of far more than our freedom of speech, and our freedom to approve or disapprove. More than our right to feel and have the impressions we choose, because the inferences of our emations may not  be to someone’s liking. What we are seeing is our right to think, form opinions, and hold substantive positions on issues, destroyed.

I didn’t dislike Hossam when I began writing for this blog. I grew to despise him gradually, when the arrogance, the presumptuousness, the dishonesty, the manipulation, the mafia-type tactics, just wouldn’t stop. No I am not yet prepared to say I hate him, but I despise him. I find him and his campaign, intellectually repulsive, and emotionally outright odious.

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I am tired of the hypersensitivity Hussein dragged into this primary. I am tired of commentators excusing it, or ignoring it by equating it (racism) with sexism, so they can say “well you know, race-baiting is bad, but so is gender-baiting.”  I am tired of the suggestion that both candidates are equally the victims of history and its stereotypes.

There is a profound difference of hypersensitivity and “victimisation” between Hillary and Obama. How profound?

Give me a single instance when Hillary used the “gender-baiter” charge and spun it to win women’s votes? Single instance!

This is as profound a difference as they get.

That said, I didn’t exactly appreciate Clinton’s campaign team pushing Obama on Powers. If Powers thinks Hillary is a monster, so be it. She has a right to her opinion, no matter how strong. Although there is a difference between directly calling someone a “monster” and making historically and factually accurate observations, please, save us the hypervigilance, the hypersensitivity. If we play that game, then it really wont be too long before the use of the word “desperate” and “whiner” becomes tinged with sexist undertones, and used to score political points. Please, don’t go down that road, as it only leads so far. There is an important difference between hypersensitivity on race, and hypersensitivity on gender.

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In the case of sexism, hypervigilence breeds a healthy social reaction, and a legitimate (!) marginalization of the hypervigilant. Our fair sex, makes up half the human race, placing severe limits on how far gynocentrism can go, before generating a healthy social rejection in favor of amicable relationships between women and men.

In the case of racial discrimination, hypervigilence has never, ever, done society good. The African-American creation of Farrakhan, Wright, Malcom X are ghastly proof.

The dynamics of human ethnicity are such, that where a group of people are in the majority, somewhere else they are in the minority. Hypervigilance in one place, quickly  becomes ethnocentrism  in the other, and before you know it, the virtually limitless destructive power of identity politics, is unleashed. The same simply cannot be said of hypervigilant gynocentrism, which produces neither Farrakhans or Hitlers.

Gender issues, by their very nature, have a far greater potential to unify, than race and ethnic ones. Playing the gender card inevitably leads to positive results, as it improves the status of half of the world’s population. Race issues are almost by definition divisive. Hypersensitivity leads to haphazard playing of the the race-baiter card. When this playing is not founded in fact, or simply craven, it is indistinguishable from reverse racism, hence racism proper with the added danger of legitimacy. Once being a minority implies rights to any form of reverse racism, any talk of equality becomes preposterous. The myth of oppression goes on to perpetuate the need for this “legitimate” racism, and before long it becomes a question of self-preservation for the majority to combat this “reverse racism” with a renewal of the old kind. Integration, and unity, become impossible,  but not for the same reasons as in the 60s. Where that era relied on majoritarian racism to prevent integration, our era relies on the racism of minorities, to prevent it.

Such problems simply do not exist with gender based discrimination and sexism, and although I am against any hypersensitivity about such discrimination I have to face the fact that it is a far greater factor in this election than racism, not in the least because it cannot be severely politicized. I face the fact, and smile about it. Far from being a “problem” sexisms greater immunity from political abuse, is a testament to its supreme validity. If you can’t score points off it, you cannot denigrated or trivialize it. You cannot use it to your political advantage, and you can’t use it to divide and conquer.

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I repeat my message to Hillary, some of us expect you to stand-up for the truth, and the time to do this is now! We ask this not because you are a woman, or we are women, and because sexism  is our cause. Far from it. Our cause is merit, and we ask you to stick to it, and we ask you to demand Obama and his cronies stick to it. We ask you to make it clear, who and why is taking voter’s attention off the issues, and we demand you do this by supporting Geraldine Ferraro’s statement that Obama benefits from his selected racial identification, and that his campaign has used it to shield him from criticism, and is now using it to shield him from debating the issues.

Hillary, It’s time you make it clear to those who speak the truth, that doing so is not a crime. And to those who disagree, that disagreement is not a crime. It is time to put an end to Obama’s victimhood on which he relies to score political points, to put an end to the sense of entitlement his supporters boast. It is time to send a clear message to all Americans, that your skin color does not automaticlally empower you to judge who is and isn’t a racist. That your hypersensivity doesn’t give you a blanket right to interpret other’s mention of race, or gender, to your political advantage.

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  It is time to send a message, that you are here to fight for America, and what it means to be AMERICAN.

76 responses so far

76 Responses to “Geraldine Ferraro is Right,”

  1. Melanieon 11 Mar 2008 at 8:52 pm 1

    Well, I agree with you. However, the problem is all the super delegates rady to pounce on her, and the media that just accepts Obama’s suggestion that he is the constant victim of Hillary’s racism.

  2. Melanieon 11 Mar 2008 at 9:22 pm 2

    Well, someone gets it:
    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=fd72d239-fb33-4493-be6a-2a869fa597d2

  3. Juanita Gonzaleson 11 Mar 2008 at 9:39 pm 3

    I updated and finished the editing. Sorry for having initially posted it unedited.

  4. Gregory Changon 11 Mar 2008 at 10:00 pm 4

    The title says it all:
    “Geraldine Ferraro lets her emotions do the talking”

    http://www.dailybreeze.com/lifeandculture/ci_8489268

    Her “emotions” implying she is an irrational female. The pictures in the article show her on the verge of tears… hysterical.

    Hm… sexism?

    Next time Husein whines about racism the headline should read:

    “Hussein whines again, says he’s victim”

  5. Sandyon 12 Mar 2008 at 4:02 am 5

    Great article. I agree with everything you say.

    However, I **strongly** believe that when you refer to Obama you should stick with his name “Obama” unless you are discussing his relationship to Islam.

    The articles on this web site lose some creditability when you refer to Obama by his middle name. I would like to forward the articles to CNN, etc. but I hesitate a bit because of your use of “Hussein”, “Hosama”, etc.

  6. Cliford Johnsonon 12 Mar 2008 at 6:03 am 6

    Geraldine Ferraro is a “racist “. Its not only the words she said but the meaning behind it. If a Hillary supporter said “Hillary Clinton is a woman” there is nothing wrong with that but if a Mckane supporter said “she a woman” under breath with a smirck thats completely different. Ferraro is filled with anger and bitterness, and spoke not out of logic but out of anger. I see little difference between her and someone like Dick Cheney. Black women are stupid because the joined the “White Feminist movement” and thought that just because they’re woman also they couldn’t be racist, WRONG!!!. Blank women are nowhere close to where their white counterparts are, its not a coincidence. Hispanic woman are stupid because they think Clinton will represent their interest, Wrong! Most rich successful mobile white women like Clinton dislike Hispanic women because they view them as a threat to white man (sexually) and to their way of life. The only time they want to see a Hispanic woman is ironing their clothes or cleaning their kitchen. I’m a White liberal man and I see this all the time, its as clear as day to me, I’m surprised so many female minorities are still supporting her. I guess since everyone wants to be blond and blue eyed that the trend will continue.

  7. Roberton 12 Mar 2008 at 6:07 am 7

    Hello Everyone,

    Please go to http://www.savagepolitics.com. They have a great article about the Mississippi primary.

  8. Cliford Johnsonon 12 Mar 2008 at 7:02 am 8

    Also you should do more research quote; ” In the case of racial discrimination, hypervigilence has never, ever, done society good. The African-American creation of Farrakhan, Wright, Malcom X are ghastly proof.”
    Historically for every Malcolm X there are 10 Martin Luther Kings, Medgar Ever, and Frederick douglasses. The ones that frighten people are the ones that people choose to remember.

    Also to your comment; “in Latin America, but you wouldn’t notice it, because the largest source of this Machismo comes from black rap wherein slurs like “bitch,” and gangs of bikini clad whores literaly harem about hypermuscular, sexed up, tight lipped, in-your-face pit-bulls who consider the word “nigger” a compliment. You wont find something this extreme in Mexico, you wont find it in Brazil. ”
    However in Latin America would will find shows like “El Negrito Tomás” roughly translated “Thomas the little blackie!! or in mexico there is a channel called N.I.G.G.A TV,
    and dont for get about the mexican stamps ( memin pinguin)!!!
    http://www.foxnews.com/images/168310/1_21_062905_memin_pinguin.jpg
    My wife is Mexican and she is brown not tan and she had a hard time as a woman and being darker that others. Its BS what you wrote because racism or “colorism” is just as prevalent in Latin America as sexism. If sexism was so bad in America why are women leaving Mexico and El Salvidor to come here?

    And lastly to educate people, Obama is not of the African American ethnicity!!!
    His is Half White American and Half Black Kenyan. He is (to use an archaic term) a Mulatto. If a Chinese baby was born in Sweden His nationality might be Swedish but his ethnicity is still Chinese!! African Americans are made up of numerous African ethnicities that have mixed together in addition add mixture from various Europeans, Native Americans, and Asians. It proves that America has a long way to go. Its Obama a Dark White Man or a Light Blank man. Hmmmm? Are Hispanics Native Indians or Spaniards? Are Men women with a broken X chromosome The conundrum of semantics and identity.

  9. Melanieon 12 Mar 2008 at 7:27 am 9

    Cliford Johnson, What the heck are you talking about? Hillary’s entire domestic agenda most directly addresses the needs of latino, black and poor white women, nitwit. This is exactly what is wrong with Obama supporters. They think everyone who doesn’t support BO is racist. The man simply lacks the resume to be President. He should actually have to accomplish something. He’s nearly 50 and has done almost nothing of substance in his career. He has the audacity to tell african american voters not to be “hoodwinked”, “bamboozled”, or played the old “hokey doke”? Whom is he referring to? What could be more divisive and simply unprofessional than siting fictionalized Malcolm X movie lines to rile african american voters?

  10. Sharon Mitchellon 12 Mar 2008 at 7:38 am 10

    Sorry, Geraldine Ferraro is wrong. I voted for her when she was still in queens. Many of you young people cant remember but during the 50’s things were very different. I’m very hurt and ashamed over the comments made by Ferraro, I always looked to her as a person with strong moral fibers and decency. The same comment she said has been said behind my back for a good portion of my life, “she’s only here because she is a woman!!”. My foster son was half black like Obama and he didn’t have it easy, the black kids considered him different and the white kids called him black (amongst other things). Nothing in this world was given to him, and I tried to share the light of gods grace on him so that he would be successfully in life too. Since Clinton didn’t not denounce her comments I don’t think that I can support Hillary Clinton any longer as my choice. I’m either voting for Obama or Mckane, I’m still unsure.

  11. Cliford Johnsonon 12 Mar 2008 at 7:57 am 11

    Melanie;
    Actually Im not a Obama supporter, you assume anyone against Hillary is a Obama supporter. And that “hoodwinked”, “bamboozled” quote is just as bad as Hillary trying to down play the importance of Martin Luther king in favor of LBJ. The problem in this country is that in order for someone to be good the other person has to be bad (very simple minded thinking). Both Candidates have limited political experience” FACT”. Because Hillary Clinton has slightly more experience that Obama doesn’t make her a political genius and Obama a moron. MLK said it best; In American we have a problem we cant be disagreeable without being violently disagreeable. And yes words can be violent.

    My point is that Obama isnt the devil and Hillary isnt the Virgin Mary or vice versa. They are both politicians and they both use divisive tactics, Its just that Hillary is using progressively dirtier tactics, thats why when my nominee dropped out I didn’t immediately support Hillary and now I doubt that I ever support her.

  12. Melanieon 12 Mar 2008 at 8:25 am 12

    She has tons more experience than Obama. That’s just ridiculous. She’s a tenured Senator. She was an active advisor to the President for 8 years. She was the Chair of the Legal Services Committee. She worked for the Children’s Defense Fund. She helped expand rural health care in Arkansas. Her footprint is all over this country, and frankly, all over the globe. Obama was in the state legistlature just a few short years ago. He’s left almost no imprint in Il and certainly none in the country.

  13. Cliford Johnsonon 12 Mar 2008 at 8:42 am 13

    Hmmm, wow .”Tons of experience”, versus obama! However not more that most politicians. Thats the point . I said “Both Candidates have limited political experience” FACT”.”

    I’m not Saying She will do a bad job if elected but she is not perfect nor is Obama. A fundamental flaw of people is Idol worship.
    People seem to give up their right to question authority and judgment and regurgitate what their candidate says.
    Question?
    On a scale of 1 to 10 how perfect do you think Hillary Clinton is?
    On a scale of 1 to 10 how perfect do you think Barack Obama is?

  14. Anita Merceron 12 Mar 2008 at 9:06 am 14

    It’s true what Cliford Johnson says.
    When the artical talks about sexism in america and Black African rapers using the B word to discribe women, its funny One of the biggest people responsible for that type of music video is Bob Johnson founder of the so called “Black Entertainment Television”. Hes worst that Larry Flint. Bob Johnson specilized in degrating black and latin women especially black women. When I saw that man standing next to Clinton at a black church I thought wow now I know Hillary Clinton is full of SHIT!

  15. Rosannaon 12 Mar 2008 at 9:25 am 15

    Clifford Johson: I don’t think you really comprehended what the author is saying in this post. And your interpretation of life in Latin America is quite one-dimensional. Have you ever visited Mexico or Latin America or are just going off of hearsay and biased newsclips?

    Also your racial categorization of Obama is clearly NOT how he categorizes himself or how the media categorizes him. In the media he is referred to only as “African-American” or “Black” not as mixed, multiracial, or mulatto. Obama is indeed a mixed-race person, but plays up his blackness and has used it to pander to the Black vote.

    For someone who describes themself as “liberal” you seem quite determined to beat the rest of us over the head w/your views, whether or not they are based in fact. I’ve found this to be the case with many White liberals who often exhibit a paternalistic attitude where they feel they need to school others on the “correct” way of thinking.

  16. Rosannaon 12 Mar 2008 at 9:30 am 16

    Sharon Mitchell: Please do not generalize your foster son’s experience to all persons of mixed-race. I am a person of mixed race and I have to tell you, we come in all shapes, sizes, and perhaps most importantly, economic backgrounds. Obama was not a foster child. His mother was upper middle class and his father was a Phd. And although his father “abandoned the family” as he is fond of saying, he was hardly left in poverty. He had a comfortable upbringing and went to all the finest schools. So, once again, please do not generalize and place all mixed-race people in the victim role. Someone is not necessarily a victim or poor b/c they are mixed.

  17. Rosannaon 12 Mar 2008 at 9:34 am 17

    Sandy: CNN is already aware of the information written about on this site. What I mean is, none of this is new to them. They are simply choosing not to report on this stuff b/c they are incredibly biased. Media bias is nothing new, and this time around Obama is their darling.

  18. Rosannaon 12 Mar 2008 at 9:43 am 18

    Juanita: This is a kickass article! Thank you so much for writing it. Please keep up the good work. This website is one of the few places where a person can read anything other than “Obama the savior,” “Obama the genius,” etc… It sooo refreshing to get a different viewpoint.

    And I totally agree w/what you’re saying that things are to the point where no one can even mention race in relation to Obama unless they are Black, and even then unless they are complimenting him, they may be labeled sellout. As I’ve stated many times on this website and elsewhere, I am multiracial and actually come from a similar background to Obama, but when I say that I’m not voting for him, I’m accused of being a “sellout,” “self-hater,” “traitor,” etc. I was actually shouted off a mixed-race message board not too long ago by people accusing me of being a self-hater and “anti-black.”

    It’s so ridiculous how this mentality has taken hold. Any person critical of Obama is automatically labeled racist. This is not my idea of equality.

  19. twinkon 12 Mar 2008 at 10:03 am 19

    You go Rosanna! I’m with you girl.

    C.Johnson you don’t do History, do you? “Hypersensitivity” is a disease of the marrow.
    Farrakhan is to the black what Duke is to the white. Supremacist, racist, bigot. Read my man Jamal here, he keeps it real, keeps it true.

    Aint Farrakhan no good guy, he IS the ODIOUS ONE!

    And aint no black a good guy, if he thinks you can be for Farrakhan, and talk of MLK. EIther you is with X, or you is with King.

    Check your history fools, before schooling anyone. Wasn’t X who did the Rights, was a good man from Baptist family, a preachers son, who sought true equality, true unity.

    Obama aint got a sliver of that. A sliver!

    Now I may not entirely agree with Juanita, in terms of race and its importance here, but I hear her. I know what she is saying. Women comprise half the world’s population, and it just aint the same as “color-obsessed” folks. Folks who can’t look in the mirror and think “I’m white…I’m black”. Folks who can’t get over history, who want monuments to every drop of suffering every moment of hardship. It’s proposterous.

    As for Sharon and Anita. Sorry, Ferraro is absolute right, HOSSAMA is trouncing and poucing cuz he is a black bouncing!

    And aint no one gonna tell me not to call him Hossama, or Borat Omama, cuz that’s his middle name, cuz I aint dissing my brother, I’m just clowning!

  20. Cliford Johnsonon 12 Mar 2008 at 10:16 am 20

    Rosanna;
    I lived in Mexico for 5 years, My wife is Mexican, My daughter is half Mexican, My in laws are Mexican. Have you ever Lived in Mexico? Ive visited the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Brazil, and Haiti. Colorism is really a major problem in these countries. In the Dominican republic, My friend whom isn’t even African decent and is East Indian was denied seating in a restaurant because she was too dark. Not saying everywhere but in many places in Latin America there stuck in the 1950. If you dont think so you either uniformed or not will to see the truth.
    If you darker that Obama take a trip to the Dominican republic with a Lighter companion travel to the non tourist locations and see yow your treated. Or easier Google the history between Haiti and the DR, you’ll understand.

    My point about Obama not being African American totally missed you. I was making a point about race and perception. My daughter is my Mother inlaws favorite out of all her other grand kids (granted my daughter is an angle) but its obvious that a fair haired green eyed baby is cuter that a brown one with black hair.

    And as far as “beat the rest of us over the head w/your views,” I’m merely voicing my views, if you want you can simply cover you eyes, ears, and mouth and resume your pattern of logic, Its still a free country.

  21. Cliford Johnsonon 12 Mar 2008 at 10:20 am 21

    Wow, twink
    Your Superior intellect is astounding! Let me Guess Yale?

  22. Cliford Johnsonon 12 Mar 2008 at 10:26 am 22

    twink
    Also, “disease of the marrow”, is called leukemia or bone cancer.

    “you don’t do History, do you”, No, I read History i don’t do it.

    “And aint no black a good guy”, I Don’t even know where to begin!!!

  23. Albert Johnson Jron 12 Mar 2008 at 10:31 am 23

    Ms. Ferraro,

    I am terribly disappointed. Your recent suggestion that Mr. Obamas’ success happened only because he is black is especially painful. To think that being black in America is a lucky thing strikes me as being inconsiderate.

    I am a black person born the same year as Mr. Obamas’ wife 1964, and I can tell you at no time in my life was being black a lucky thing, or are you unaware of the sad and continuing legacy of American race relations. You disregard Mr. Obamas’ legitimate and laudable accomplishments by attributing them to one thing, and it’s the one thing Mr. Obama tries least to be – a man of race. Mr. Obama is a child of God, a husband, a father, a university graduate and a lawyer. Mr. Obama has been a stellar state representative of Illinois and he is currently a United States Senator, and great American. Somewhere probably in the high teens of the list of things Mr. Obama is would be black man.

    The statements you have made and defend amount to making his race his primary attribute. You are playing the race card in a manner that is insulting, and quite frankly would be more expected from the kind of reactionary people America has hopefully outgrown.

    In 1984 I was a student at the University of Southern California an institution with a traditionally conservative bent. I remember campaigning for and ardently defending a certain congressperson from New York as being more than just a woman, but a person regardless of gender worthy to potentially lead this country. I’m sorry to know now that I was wrong, and all the time any Gerard really would have sufficed.

  24. KitKaton 12 Mar 2008 at 10:59 am 24

    Juanita, Melanie and Rosanna - Keep up the good work!

  25. danon 12 Mar 2008 at 11:25 am 25

    hello,

    i am a minority , but not an AA. I causused for obama in WY, but with this dustup with ferraro’s statements, I can’t support him anymore. WHY?

    1) he seems to inflame AAs as much as he can to get their votes, he makes me then wonder if he gets elected, will be giving preferential treamtment to the needs of the AA community, more than the Asian one, or the latino one, or the native american one? My guess is he will have to be somewhat be more loyal to the race that voted 90% overwhemling for him…

    BUT the president has to look out for all races in thsi country, and I no longer have faith this man can or was ever able to do it.

    2) the media is in such a feeding frenzy to prove to itself and its audience that it is not racist, ANY critisime that anyone makes ( not just clinton) AGAINST HIM, they dissect to make sure that it is not racist, and they spend so much time on that, that they never get to the main critisim ( and this was important issues to be investigated, HE IS RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE THE UNITED STATES!!)

    …..HOWEVER THEY SEEM TO HAVE NO PROBLEMS overlooking any sexist statements.

    3) so do I want a president where anyone who wants to make a fair critism about him is worried that the media may cry “racist” so they keep their mouth shut? ( isn’t this what happened with bush, where any critism was rebutted with “unpatriotic”)… I SAY NO!!!

    IS THE ACKNOWLDGEMENT OF RACISM MAKE ONE A RACIST?? according to the Obama camp, YES!

    SO WHILE I CAN’T CHANGE MY VOTE FOR HIM, i HAVE BLOCKED THEIR CAMPAIGN EMAILS TO ME, ASKED THEM TO TAKE MY PHONE NUMBER OFF THEIR VOLUNTERR LIST, AND TOLD THEM i WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT OR CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR CAMPAIGN! ( AND WILL CAMPAIGN FOR HILLARY OR MCCAIN NOW )

  26. skipon 12 Mar 2008 at 12:12 pm 26

    Sandy, I am sure CNN can get their editors to omit the “Hobama’s and Ossamas”.

    I think its funny.

  27. Luxon 12 Mar 2008 at 12:36 pm 27

    To all of you Hill supporters who say they will be too bitter to vote for Obama and instead go for a complete polar opposite being the Republican John McCain, I’ll quote John Stewart and just say: FUCK YOU!

  28. juanita gonzaleson 12 Mar 2008 at 12:38 pm 28

    To: Cliford Johnson

    I am not sure you understood my post. I dont dispute the existance of race based discrimination the world over. What I dispute is the effect of hypersensitivity to such discrimination, vs the effect of hypersensitivity to gender based discrimination. I stressing the difference of political explosiveness of the two, and I am emphatically stating that Maureen Dowd and Huffington have a problem, when they misleadingly write about “Battle of Two Historical Guilts” or “sexism vs racism”.

    Its just plain wrong.

    As for Mexico and racism in Latin America. There is a lot of it, but don’t forget, you are talking about countries that have little social mobility, that have been hammered by US imperialism, that have had their rights to elect socialists all but destroyed by Washington, and that are struggling to make ends meet day to day. When Chavez or Castro stand up to El Gringo, El Norte slaps them down. Call me a leftie, which I definitely am, but don’t tell me about Haity or Dominica Republica. In case you havent noticed, they are heavily black, and so are their political establishments. Whether these blacks treat mulattos or the blue-eyed with interest and respect, is their own choice.

    About Mexico. Marrying a Mexican of a particular hue doensn’t mean everything she says is true. I happen to have relatives much darker than myself in both Mexico City and cousins of Mayan stock in Chiapas. Let me assure you, they will not imigrate to America because of “Mexican racism”. If they ever do decide to come here, it will be to find work, and make a living. I wont go into Mexican racism, Mr Johsnon, because it is far less “racism” than it is poverty. Your refernce to caricature stamps is funny. I suppose you’d consider a Danish stamp of the Mohammed caricature, equally racist? Can you for one minute imagine, that not all references to blacks, which in America the hypervigilants consider “racist,” in fact are racist? Or do you think you can apply hypervigilant measures everywhere? In that case, you missed a crucial distinciton I made about the long term effects of ethnocentrism vs gynocentrism. Have you ever heard of Mugabe, or Edi Amin? What don’t you understand about the difference?

    Gregory linked to an article about Ferraro, in a comment to this post. Did you blink?

    Did anyone?

    So why can’t you admit the obvious? Because it isn’t obvious, right?

    Yet you have no problems making inferences on the not-so obvious racism of Ferraro. Mr. Johnson, that is just silly. Next time you poke fun of people’s education (reference to twink), think twice.

    America, to all the women out there, is definitely accommodative to women, but when I speak to women from all over the world, they readily complain about the hypermasculine stereotypes on television, and the “slut” stereotype of women!

    Now I am not even talking about feministas like myself, who grow up in this country, exposed to these insulting stereotypes. I am talking about women who often come from paternalistic, or less developed countries, being appaled by these stereotypes.

    Mr Johsnon, you obviously didn’t udnerstand the content of what I wrote. Or did you miss the pictures of breasts and ass?

  29. twinon 12 Mar 2008 at 12:49 pm 29

    Mr. Johstons, you talking degrees? My degree is reason, your is?

    When I say aint no black a good guy if you think you can be for Farrakhan and praise MLK, I aint saying “good” as in “nice” but “good” as in honest and smart.

    It’s like being white, and telling me about David Duke being a good guy, while praisign MLK. Just doesn’t make you intellectually good. You’d have to convince me on that one.

    You can’t be for empowerment, and for the BlackKKK. Wake up. Wake up, and stop dancing to the H-OSSAMA tune. Wake up. Farrakhan is an ISLAMIST. His group denies the equality of women and men, his fascsists march about tigh-lipped tought, and against “mixing”. I mean if Hitler hadn’t used the swastika, the Nation of Islam be brandishing it.

  30. twinkon 12 Mar 2008 at 12:55 pm 30

    Yo Cliff, you talking degrees? My degree is reason.

    Yours?

    When I say aint no black a good guy if you think you can be for Farrakhan and praise MLK, I aint saying “good” as in “nice” but “good” as in honest and smart.

    It’s like being white, praising David Duke, and loving MLK. You gotta be intellectually dumb to do that.

    You can’t be for empowerment, and for the BlackKKK. Wake up. Wake up, and stop dancing to the H-OSSAMA tune. Wake up. Farrakhan is an ISLAMIST. His group denies the equality of women and men, his fascsists march about tigh-lipped tought, and against “mixing”. I mean if Hitler hadn’t used the swastika, the Nation of Islam be brandishing it!

  31. twinkon 12 Mar 2008 at 12:55 pm 31

    sorry, duplicate, my browser went back then forward :)

  32. skipon 12 Mar 2008 at 12:56 pm 32

    To all the Obama supporters out there pushing the notion that Hillary is out. Bend over, because you’re gonna get it in Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, and Puerto Rico.

  33. Rosannaon 12 Mar 2008 at 1:03 pm 33

    Cliford Johnson: I am of Latin American, Carribbean, and European ancestry, and yes, I have been to Mexico. And btw, you being a White man married to a Mexican woman doesn’t qualify you as an authority on Mexican culture. Nevertheless, I’m also married to a Mexican, so I guess that makes me just as much of an expert as you, ha, ha.

    I’m not disputing that colorism can be an issue in Mexican culture. It’s an issue in many societies. What I said was your view is one-dimensional– it’s an oversimplification. The term “negrito,” for instance doesn’t necessarily mean “blackie” and is not usually used as a racial pejorative against persons of African descent. Rather, it can mean anyone dark-skinned. My husband, for instance, is a dark-skinned Mexican, not of African descent , and one of his nicknames within his family is “Negro.” This is a term of endearment and is not meant to imply that he is less than anybody else in the family. In the same way his aunt, who is a little heavy, is referred to as “Gorda.” The tendency in Mexican culture is to give nicknames about the thing that makes the person stand out in their family. In White American culture, this may be considered cruel or politically incorrect, but most Mexicans don’t feel victimized if their relatives call them “negro,” “gordo,” “flaca,” or whatever.

    And as far as Obama not being African-American, you and I may not see him that way but America does. And this ties into broader views that I have about mixed-race identity in America, and the very limiting views we have on race. In this country a person is lumped into either the Black or White category depending on pigment, and regardless of heritage, ethnicity or whatever else. Having said that, I realize the standard liberal logic is that darker-skinned persons always get treated worse and have tougher lives– but in 2008 America I disagree that’s always the case. In Obama’s case he has benefited by passing for Black. Although he is not culturally African-American, he has been able to pimp his pigment and pander to the Black vote.

    I don’t believe that Obama is any worse than a lot of politicians. He’s using what he can to get votes. What I especially object to, however, is the media’s extremely pro-Obama biased coverage of the Presidential race, and the overall climate of censorship or suppression to where no one can criticize Obama w/o it being implied or stated outright that that person is racist: You must be racist or else why don’t you love Obama?? That’s what I can do without. I think Obama should be treated like anyone else running for President, and so far that has just not been the case.

  34. Luxon 12 Mar 2008 at 1:10 pm 34

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/12/hillary-now-trails-in-the-popular-vote-even-if-florida-and-michigan-are-included/

  35. Rosannaon 12 Mar 2008 at 1:11 pm 35

    2 Juanita: Right on, sista! You rock!

  36. Rosannaon 12 Mar 2008 at 1:11 pm 36

    Twink: You rock too!!!

  37. Cliford Johnsonon 12 Mar 2008 at 1:24 pm 37

    Mugabe, or Edi Amin?, why are you constantly using black examples, you could have easily said, Hitler and Emperor Hirohito. The examples you use are indicative of you people like you think, don’t like being called racist but constantly engage in racist rhetoric.
    And the rest of your rhetoric is nothing more that a bias spew. If I were to say half the things you said but against blacks, Hispanics, or women, I would be called as racist and/or a sexist. The reason why Hillary is loosing and will most likely loose is just like you she takes advantage of a double standard that many so called “feminist” do. You want all the benefits of chivalry and equality. However you cant have it both ways, when things dont go you way its sexism, but when its convenient never think twice about making a statement about the moral superiority of women or allow people in you camp to allow racial intolerance.

    I wonder how did you feel about Imus’s comment about the “Nappy Headed Hoes”? Did you feel offended about the Hoes part but gleeful about the nappy headed part? I pity you. You seem somewhat educated but misguided, perhaps when you’re older you will wise up.

  38. melissa aon 12 Mar 2008 at 1:58 pm 38

    is this what we have became? i support hilary but wrong is wrong. Im unaware of being black as a plus in profrssional arenas. that lady call hillary a monster and she was wrong but she was gone the next day. the same thing should go here. we dont need to act like republicans to win. this will only hurt her chanes of wining and being taken seriously.

  39. shauntala hon 12 Mar 2008 at 2:19 pm 39

    this was the last straw. i supported hillary, now there is little doubt that she is a oportunist. I am of indian decent and i happen to be muslim. reading your blog and seeing people making fun of a muslim name so blatantly is bringing tears to my eye. is it that i dont count? or is it ok to bash and poke fun of muslims? why? i even forgave the ghandi comment hilary made. i guess if you look like me or share my religion your fodder and sport for colonialist imperialist westerners. perhaps obama has better views on tolerane.

  40. Stewon 12 Mar 2008 at 2:27 pm 40

    shauntala h,
    Don’t worry, you’re not alone. These people make me sick too. Hard to believe they call themselves Democrats.

  41. Jamal McCoyon 12 Mar 2008 at 2:55 pm 41

    You gotta be kidding if you don’t get the Hossama joke. YOu really gotta be kidding me. You gotta be kidding me if you think we are poking fun of Muslims or Islam. Not that I have a high regard for the religion. I don’t like religion in general, and Islam in particular.

    But no one here has ever suggested Islam is bad. Nor has anyone gone off on a tangent about Islam.

    If you happen to be a Muslim or have an Arabic name, and you feel offended by our mention of “Hussein” or “Hossama,” maybe you should change your name. After all, like Obama, you are obviously ashamed.

    I mean Obama has made it clearly that having a Muslim name or being a Muslim, is a shame. You actually want to join him in this?

    Vote for Obama if you are desperately looking to be a victim. That’s what he is here for. To wash away your sins.

    Look, my own name is Jamal. If you are Muslim, then you should know what that means.

    Pathetic.

  42. Beckyon 12 Mar 2008 at 2:56 pm 42

    Whats the big deal, She told the truth, Blacks and other minorities get preferential treatment through affirmative action. They also take up a lot of jobs that hard working women could occupy. Plus its 2008 there is no racism in america!! Last I herd they had rich black people and spanish people have tv channels, they even have mexican cartoons like dora explorer lol. There is even a chinese man playing basketball lol. Come on where is the RACISM? I cant wait till Clinton wins so the country will turn around in the right direction.

    Albert Johnson Jr STOP WHINING I’m sure you have a big car with bling bling. next your going to say “bush doesn’t care about black people,” ha ha ha..

  43. Codie brookson 12 Mar 2008 at 3:06 pm 43

    Jamal McCoy
    Right on bro fuck Muslems, if she dont like it that bitch can change her god damned man. Go back to India!!!

  44. […] Obama just can’t live without this line! His campaign is built on it, programmed down to the last screw in the hardware to feed of it.  It’s how you pull in all the yuppies with their hurt feelings.  “Obama attacked- it’s race baiting, quick, defend him” It’s where all blacks are called to stand-up for Obama, because “his story is your story - are you gonna stand for it?” And it’s getting worst.With every passing day, Obama is more and more a victim. I mean look at the poor kid, now he’s openly saying that old-meanie Hillary was the one spreading the pictures of him with a rag on his head,  that old-meanie Hillary is throwing the kitchen sink at him (oooh, sexism, sexism…no, not interesting?), says she “will do anything” to get elected (sexism again…yawn) and has got two desperate urls (desperatehillaryattacks.com, desperationwatch.com) devoted to all the meanie’s tricks and antics. Desperate, as in  desperate housewife, or desperate bitch? (Sexism and racism are equivalent anyone?) […]

  45. Sharonon 12 Mar 2008 at 3:52 pm 45

    Blacks have no place in politics, they should stick to music and sports.

  46. twinkon 12 Mar 2008 at 4:32 pm 46

    and scubadiving.

  47. Stewon 12 Mar 2008 at 4:33 pm 47

    Good one Jamal,
    Try to turn her negative feelings around on her again and try to make her feel bad about feeling bad including mentioning your semi-veiled prejudice against Islam ‘in particular’. Check!

    Disregard the racial innuendo involved in your creative name usage. Check!.

    And to top it off, you get followed by a couple of boneheads making blatantly racist remarks in support. Bonus!

    Does it really take a genius to realize why people like us are so repelled by your despicable tactics. And look who you’re attracting!
    Again, you sir, and everyone standing next to you MAKE ME SICK!

  48. Juanita Gonzaleson 12 Mar 2008 at 4:58 pm 48

    please don’t abuse our site and use my name or any other of our editors to post misleading comments… such activity will be immediately deleted.

  49. twinkon 12 Mar 2008 at 5:29 pm 49

    Jamal means beautiful in Arabic… but shares the same root as Camel!

    I googled it.

    So what’s wrong with you Stew? I mean what’s wrong? I made the joke about scubadiving… you didn’t get it?

    Something weird is going down here… its the weirdness of white allies of black victimhood, making dumb comments about blacks, to prove to those few blacks sceptical of “racism” are wrong.

    That’s twisted. That is twisted. Listen Stew, you got it wrong. You’re definitely sick, but not for the reasons you suspect. You is sick to begin with… and gonna take lots of cleaning and scrubbing to get your mind off that crap.

    Juanita, and everyone else here, Jamal, I support you. I may not always agree, but I love you for your courage to challange the conventional un-wisdom, and involve us in this debate.

    I only wish some readers made more intelligent remarks. Aint no Obamabots keepin us down! No sir!

  50. Stewon 12 Mar 2008 at 5:45 pm 50

    Sooooo twink, saying “fuck muslems” is just fine, adding to something along the lines of “blacks have no place in politics” is just a joke, and I’m twisted and need a scrubbing? Gotcha. Thanks for setting me straight. Really appreciate it.

  51. Stewon 12 Mar 2008 at 6:19 pm 51

    Uh Oh. Olbermann made scathing criticism towards our Saint Hillary about this.
    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/12/countdown-special-comment-sen-clinton-this-is-not-a-campaign-strategy-this-is-a-suicide-pact/

    And the mean comments on that nasty blog, they hurt my eyes. Say it ain’t so!

  52. twinkon 12 Mar 2008 at 6:27 pm 52

    take your hypervigilance and shove it. As for muslims, that’s not a what I said nor anyone writing here.

  53. Stewon 12 Mar 2008 at 6:33 pm 53

    Oh really, are you sure “fuck Muslems” is not exactly what Codie Brooks wrote on 12 Mar 2008 at 3:06 pm just a few posts up? I guess I was just imagining things then. Nevermind.
    Go Hillary! 08′!!!!!!!1

  54. 643on 12 Mar 2008 at 7:43 pm 54

    Codie Brooks is not a writer at this blog, nor is twink. These are commentators. For all we know, Stew may be behind them both.

  55. twinkon 12 Mar 2008 at 8:30 pm 55

    I aint no Stew, b assured of that! And I aint anti-muslim. But you have the right in this country to say you “particularly” dislike Islam, if you say you dislike religion in general!

    I happen to agree. I was raised baptist, and I frown upon polygamy - mormon or Muslim, or tribal. I frown upon it! I don’t like the Nation of Islam, I see what those fools are doing, and I don’t like it. Farrakhan sticks to the Koran and he doesn’t say anything constructive about Christianity or Judaism. In fact, he’s called Judaism a gutter religion. You hear that, a gutter religion.

    Excuse me if I am suspect of Islam. We’ve had 911, and terrorism left and right. It aint Christians doin it. Is they?

  56. Tintinon 12 Mar 2008 at 8:40 pm 56

    Hi, you need to forgive my poor english, I’m french
    I know, this is not our election, but I like keeping myself informed and this website is pretty good…
    Stew, The question is not really, is there or not some racism here, I think there isn’t but we can debate it. The question is, for me, when words, like racism or antisemitism are used to shut up people, kill all debate and spread conformism… A leftwing conformism which doesn’t help us at all getting closer to the truth and understanding each other. Censorship never helped any society eradicate ideas, opinions and ideologies considered dangerous, no, exactly the contrary.
    Stew, be happy that such a website exist, where you can debate people who happen to have a very different opinion than yourself, because the trend, here and elsewhere, is uniformity… in everything and especially in political opinion. I envy you Stew, this website would just not exist in France, if this campaign was happening there, cause everybody in France is thinking the SAME way and CAN’T think out of the box anymore.
    Bye and please my friends, keep it cool, I found all of you way to aggressive with each other. Faites l’amour pas la guerre

  57. Stewon 13 Mar 2008 at 5:43 am 57

    I’m really sorry guys. You see, I thought that unless you specifically reject and denounce something from any kind of supporter, then it must be an opinion shared by all. That’s just something the great Hillary taught me during one of her debates.
    Hillary 08′!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  58. nadineon 13 Mar 2008 at 9:50 am 58

    you have a worm in your brain Stew. Farrakhan is not “any kind of supporter”, nor is anyone here running for election. You don’t get it? If you can’t talk about issues, maybe you should get lost.

  59. Stewon 13 Mar 2008 at 10:49 am 59

    Ok, I’m starting to get it now. Racist post here will simply be ignored as long as they are Hillary supporters. Doesn’t mean we agree with them. But be prepared to pounce on anyone who dares not to agree with the views on this site by using figurative rhetoric on them. Then proceed to pat eachother on the back thinking a job well done. Lovely.

    Okay, fine. Back to the main issue. Is Obama simply a product of Affirmative Action? Yes of course! Nevermind that nagging fact that Hillary herself may have been exalted through the political ranks primarily by being the wife of a former President. Nah, that’s crazy talk, right? You bet it is!
    Hillary 08′!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  60. jenniferon 13 Mar 2008 at 12:42 pm 60

    You are so sexist!!! Why are you on this page? why dont you go to obamma 9 11 husanes website and talk about raping 100 virgins while eating fried chicken and watermelons with jesse jackson.

  61. jasiraon 13 Mar 2008 at 12:57 pm 61

    The facts don’t lie. count the number of “minorities” - male or female - in elected offices of high position and then count the number of seats won by white women. There is no comparison. I’m tired of white feminists and their tokens falling back on racism when they don’t get their way. Women of color, they are telling us exactly how it should go. If they don’t get the place in the line beside or behind the white man then they don’t want a person of color (including women of color) to get that place. They will do anything and everything in their power to hold on to white skinned priviledge. Geraldine Ferraro didn’t deserver the vp candidacy when she got it, she was the epitome of an affirmative action candidate and she (along with other white women) are the biggest reapers of the benefits that the blood & sweat of the civil rights crusaders. Ferraro is a bitter racist and she does not represent the interests of ALL women. Just white ones. I wonder, where was she when Mosley Braun was running. Where was Steinhem when Shirley Chisolm needed her endorsement. NO WHERE TO BE FOUND!

  62. skipon 13 Mar 2008 at 1:55 pm 62

    Stew, you gotta be blind or just plain dumb. There are so many nasty comments here against Hillary, and this blog, that for you to play the “oooh racist comments” and “you pick on me card” is simply outrageous.

    Its precisely the kind of tactic Obama relies on. You must be from his campaign, they brainwash you with the stuff of how to say dumb things and then pose as victim.

    I don’t see who is beating you over the head here. You are just grossly obnoxious, dishonest, and deliberately dragging everyone through slime.

    Why don’t you stick to the issues. The fact that Farrakhan is a blackKKK.

    Or that Wright supports him.

    And no, I don’t agree that Hillary is affirmative action. Yes, Ferraro was, no, Hillary is not.

    If you put your glasses on, you can stop insisting that Hillary and Obama are equally accomplished or have comparable experience. They dont!

  63. Rosannaon 13 Mar 2008 at 2:11 pm 63

    Clifford Johnson: That last comment of yours made no sense whatsoever.

  64. twinkon 13 Mar 2008 at 2:41 pm 64

    Tintin. Parles vous francais? ;) jk, I don’t talk French, I adore la France!

    Why you write there is no freedom in France? I thought it was libertie?

    Yo Stew. What’s your beef? I am black, and when I say “scubadiving” I’m just fooling around. Sharon dont like this site, and she slimed us, and its her comment you’re up against. You trying to set us up, aint you? You doin the Obama on us, aint you?
    As for the comment on Muslims… respect to the men of Allah.

    But aint no body gonna tell me what religion I can and cannot like! I don’t like Islam, period. I don’t like Mormons or Evangelicals, period!
    Black community is brainwashed with Islam, and Farak filth, coming straigh out of his NOI mill. Aint havin none of it.

    No one here was appreciating the comment asking the lady to go home. Just like I dont appreciate Obama stooges telling me to fuck off, or telling me I am a self-hating black whenever I tell him he’s affirmative action +

    And don’t go around telling us Hillary is affirmative action. Its your clown Obama that’s affirmative action + plus + white guilt + repressed sexuality on some folks part (some gays too). They wanna have it black. And don’t tell me I can’t say that. You read Obama on his mama? Black Orpheus fool. You read Axelrid on Obama and white women. I can’t say i tbut he can!?

    Your head is in the can, stewing.

    Hillary aint had nothing but trouble, adversity, Keneth Starr and Gingrich, what’s you had man? You’ve had Michelle Obama telling her to get her house in order.

    What’s Obamoid had? He’s got a pastor who told him that Bill Clinton did to the blacks what he did to Lewinsky.
    Where’s your outrage stew?

    Obama is a free rider, low rider, dirty talking sniper, as Rosanna put it, from Hawaiian paradise, straight to the White House. No experience and skill necessary. Just be good looking and fit the stereotype.

    No questions asked, no criticism made- open your mouth against this Hussein, and you’re a racist. bang bang bang.

    Try to criticise him, and he sends his shit on ya, sends his stews and sharons to clamp down on ya. Telling you racist shit and then asking you to appologize for it. Aint none of us here been friends with racits like Farrak, whose boots Hossam licks, and then can’t say it tastes bad.

    You is vulgary in your imbecility stew-like folks!

    As for the sad muslim indian lady. It’s Hussein that’s ashamed of his name. In’t it? It’s Hussein that’s ashamed of his pastor, and religion, in’t it? It’s Muslims that commented here that was ashamed of folks here saying Hussein Obama.

    What’s wrong with that? I says Ho-bama, your mama, your Husseino rama. I says what I like. I’m black, and I know black muslims. They don’t give them selvs names Hussein. they go by Jamal, Mohamed, Elija, even Barack.

    So why you complaining? Why you whining? Is that the Obama disease, catch it, sneeze, racism please, call the police.

    Now that’s just bs! And you tell us again that we isn’t treating you well, I’ll tell you where you can go and get good treatment. Don’t you play none of your Obama shit here.

  65. Stewon 13 Mar 2008 at 3:04 pm 65

    Phew, there’s enough hotair here to save us all from the next iceage. Do you all feel better about yourselves now? I sure do.
    So say it with me, Hillary 08′!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  66. Catherine Leighon 13 Mar 2008 at 6:24 pm 66

    your commentary is obviously Pro-Hilary.

  67. Catherine Leighon 13 Mar 2008 at 6:33 pm 67

    Why are Hillary supporters so bitter?
    Shameful!
    The woman think the Presidency is her birthright and will sell her soul to be elected. Shameful.
    I am a woman, but I can see self-centered, power mongering, ego, entitlement, wait your turn, hypocritical when it is evident.
    I think Samantha Powers only said what a lot of people are thinking and won’t or can’t say.
    The truth is if Barack Obama was the one trailing in Delegates and votes he would be chastised for not quitting, BUT NO “it’s a Clinton” she can find a way to muscle the trophy from even the Devil in Hell. … even when the math don’t add up.
    It’s Bush vs Gore all over again…. I am sure she will find a way to steal it.
    I have a theory…… the reason Hillary gave Bush her vote to sanction the War was so that he could share the secret to “STEALING AN ELECTION” with her.
    Vote with me and I will give you the secret in 4 years he said.

  68. anonymouson 14 Mar 2008 at 10:40 am 68

    Check out John Lennon in this video:

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=1648

  69. […] ethnocentric progressivism, is only distinct from fascism. As I’ve argued in my article on gynocentrism vs. ethnocentrism, it is a destructive […]

  70. unclekrackeron 21 Mar 2008 at 10:33 pm 70

    Geraldine Ferraro and Barack Obama have each said that Barack Obama benefits from his race. When she said it, all hell broke lose.

    When he has said it, no big deal. He even has the audacity to state it on his own Senate web site.

    New York Times article: http://tinyurl.com/28zax9

    Obama senate web page: http://tinyurl.com/26uvax

  71. […] We stated before- It is Hussein who has destroyed our party, by pitting the black, young, and guilt ridden, against everyone else in this country. As Gregory pointed out, it is Hillary who represents this country’s diversity, not Obama. Juanita strengthened this argument, with her insight on the Ferraro affair. […]

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  73. […] noted in my Gerrardine Ferraro is right, that while everyone is antsy about race, very little critical is said of the rabid sexism […]

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  76. r.k.j.on 07 Jun 2008 at 6:49 am 76

    “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”
    Fri Feb 8, 2008 at 10:09 pm By jamie

    That “joke” was told by John McCain in 1998. Perhaps Shuster should have been a little nastier, then he could be a front runner to be President. Or maybe this is a look into what we would have with a McCain Presidency - making lesbian jokes and picking on children.

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