Apr 24 2008
R68 Preparing Violence, the Evidence.
A picture is worth a thousand words. This from the most openly aggressive R68 coalition member - Unconventional Action. What I am about to present, is incontestable proof that disturbances and violence are being planned for the DNC convention by R68 members. In my next post, I will discuss direct links with the Obama camp.
The leadership of R68 promises they wont instigate violence, while advocating violence in “self-defense.” Considering the intent to illegally obstruct roads, prevent Super-Delegates from arriving in the Convention Center, erect road-blocks, and cut-off bridges, what kind of velvet gloves does R68 expect from the authorities? Instructing how to put on helmets, when to put on face-masks, how to construct shields, and tens of pdfs on how to behave when under arrest and custody- you get the picture!
Its fair to say, R68 anticipates a lot of “self-defense”, and is already issuing veiled threats.
Denver could face a “dangerous situation” on the first day of the Democratic National Convention, war protesters said Thursday, after losing a coveted permit for Civic Center to the convention host committee
“When things blow up because the police have to enforce a permit that the Democrats got, don’t blame us for that,” said Glenn Spagnuolo, an organizer for the Re-create 68 Alliance.
“Blame the Democrats for trying to silence dissent in the city of Denver.”
Re-create 68 - which has promised demonstrations that will rival those at the bloody 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago - will be at Civic Center on Aug. 24, with or without a permit, he said.
To rival 1968 Chicago, with or without a permit? Recipe for Gandhi’s Salt March?
In their documents, R68 vehemently denounces expected police brutality and media mistreatment, and issues declarations of the necessity to use violence in self-defense. Parallel declarations by R68 coalition members such as Unconventional Action (UA) advocate an “ecology” of protest tactics, and claim that violence is one such necessary tactic!
ALL TACTICS WELCOME AND ENCOURAGED!!!
UA provides a resource page, which link, of all things, to the Anarchist Cook Book, particularly this passage:
High-confrontational struggle has its own principles: that a high level of confrontation is appropriate in the situations we now face, that people have the right and responsibility to defend themselves against police violence, that many people are already angry and mostly not saintly and a political movement needs room to express that rage, that active self-defense can be empowering and may also win people to our cause, that to bring down an economic and political system that worships property, property must be attacked. [reposted by UA from]
I consider it an incitement to violence.
UA also offers advice on how to break the law, and not get caught. Notice the use of the euphemism “autonomous civil disobedience” in the next quote. And keep a sharp lookout for what follows the word “Unless.” It should intrigue Denver authorities:
If you are engaging in autonomous civil disobedience (not a sit-in) and you don’t plan on being arrested (i.e. you want to get away with it) you should conceal your face using a bandana, or other cloth. Wearing a bandana can make you a target for police, since they associate it with radicals, so only wear one if you are actually doing something illegal and concealing your identity makes sense…. Unless you plan on directly and forcibly confronting the police, I would not recommend wearing a gas mask. (reposted by UA from here]
Of course such snippets do not amount to a full-blown declaration of war. But what about the following official UA position on violence? (Remember, UA is a core member of Recrate 68 effort):
Different tactics, applied in conjunction, can complement one another. Just as the more confrontational politics of Malcolm X forced privileged whites to take the non-violent civil disobedience of Martin Luther King, Jr. seriously, a combination of tactics from accessible and participatory to militant and controversial can simultaneously attract attention to a struggle, offer opportunities for people to get involved at their own pace, and provide those who engage in it with leverage on a variety of levels.
“Militant-” That’s pretty straigh forward. “Leverage on a variety of levels,” sounds like a School of the America’s training manual.
The Reference to Malcolm X is a bit ambigous. Is it the riots X ordered through the country, or the Black Panthers who followed in his footsteps? A reminder of a common Black Panther Chant:
“The Revolution has co-ome, it’s time to pick up the gu-un. Off the pigs!”, [wiki]
and a grim statistic
From the fall of 1967 through the end of 1969, nine police officers were killed and 56 were wounded in confrontations with the Panthers. [wiki]
Hopefully, UA was just talking about the riot part. UA elaborates
…the most dramatic triumphs of militant direct action are only possible thanks to the support of people applying more conventional approaches, and vice versa…Honoring a diversity of tactics means refraining from attacking those whose chosen approaches seem to you to be ineffective, and instead focusing on what missing elements you can add to make their efforts effective.
This sounds just like a key point in the official R68 Statement of Principles.
I find the implication of “dramatic triumph of militant direct action,” rather clear. But if for some reason readers are still not convinced that we are talking inevitable violence, there is more.
From the UA official Denver plans:
Denver: Disrupt the DNC
Anarchists and Anti-Authoritarians: join us in Denver, Colorado, August 24th-28th as we engage in coordinated Direct Actions against the Democratic National Convention, its corporate sponsors, and the military/police occupation of public space. Respecting diverse tactics and the autonomy of affinity groups and individuals, Unconventional Action has created the following framework to maximize our impact as we disrupt the DNC.
…Anarchists and Anti-Authoritarians are urged to engage in a broad variety of tactics to disrupt fundraising events and prevent Democratic delegates from voting for no-choice candidates.
The above are utterly illegal activities. Just imagine how the Police are going to have to deal with them, without coming to blows.
Unconventional Action will target a variety of the 1,500 proposed fundraisers, countless delegate hotels, and designated institutions perpetuating global injustice…Using space reclamation, street theatre, direct confrontation, positive action, and a broad array of other tactics..
-almost slipped by, that “direct confrontation.” But wait, before reading even more details of UA disruption plans, again keep in mind that UA is officially part of R68, and that R68 has officially endorsed “all tactics” that its members plan on using, and will refuse to critize or stand-up against any of them them that may be considered controversial or problematic. So much so is said in the R68 pledge all R68 members, including Code Pink, will adhere.
The following picture indicates one possible, illegal but non-violent tactic, straight off the UA website.
If the UA limited itself to such tagging - no riots will be necessary. But the following make it impossible-
We encourage people to focus on ways to stop the delegates from getting to the Pepsi center to vote. Our targets: hotels, intersections, and transportation systems. . Special attention will be given to keeping the so called “super-delegates” (what funny comic book characters they would be…) from being able to attend the vote.
ALL TACTICS WELCOME AND ENCOURAGED!!!
Yes, someone probably needs to contact the FBI, and the Clinton campaign. Because the above amounts to a intent to provoke confrontation, and I subjectively interpret it as aimed at Clinton, not Obama. It is also a clear call to incite a police crackdown, which will rationalize precisely the kind of “self-defense” R68 has declared imperative in its worthless “Statement on Non-Violence.” Worthless because as I’ve explained, it is concerned with violence of the system, and R68 right to frantic and militant defense.
Note what the above quotes amount to:
1) “stop delegates from getting to the Pepsi center to vote.” This is illegal- and will cause direct conflict with police.
2) targets. I mean they actually have targets! All illegal activities- blocking roads, intersections, shutting down tansport. Again, direct conflict inevitable.
3) “Special Attention Will be given to the…super-delegates…from being able to attend the vote.” This is scheduled for August 26. Again, it is a direct threat - and most likely, to Clinton delegates.
Of course nothing beats UA’s
4) All Tactics Welcome and Encouraged
I mean encouraged? All Tactics?
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This is obviously just the top of the iceberg where UA’s plans for the DNC are concerned, because UA provides few details about these plans, and is keeping them secret, when compared to what it is concocting for the RNC.
Just imagine the “peace-loving” crowds in this RNC scenario:
1.Establish 15-20 blockades, utilizing a diversity of tactics, creating inner and outerrings around St. Paul’s Xcel Center. immobilize DELEGATES’ TRANSPORTATION
2. Immobilize the delegates’ transportation infrastructure, including buses,bus depots, and airports. block CONNECTING BRIDGES Block the five western bridges connetions.
3. Block the five western bridges connecting the cities.
Blockading ENCOMPASSES A WIDE ARRAY OF TACTICAL POSSIBILITIES WITH THE SIMPLE GOAL OF PREVENTING THE MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES, PEOPLE, OR INFORMATION. BLOCKADES CAN BE FORMED BY PEOPLE SITTING OR LOCKING DOWN, WITH UNWIELDY OBJECTS LEFT IN THE ROAD OR DEFENDED BY PROTESTERS, WITH CONNECTABLE OBJECTS (LIKE BIKES!) CHAINED TOGETHER, WITH ROVING GROUPS TAKING OVER INTERSECTIONS–THE SKY’S THE LIMIT.
Singed on to this strategy for the RNC in the Twin Cities, are about 30 varied UA groups, one third hailing from Denver. UA is keeping obtuse on its Denver DNC plan details, and is less transparent than for the Twin Cities where the above disturbances will take place, but it already boats updated maps of delegate hotels in Denver, and is busily selecting locations where to protest and prevent access to the Pepsi Center.
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Here is the overall goal of UA’s call to “Smash the DNC Convention”
SHUT DOWN, DISRUPT, OR DELAY the convention and associated events PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK of ongoing direct action against the DNC that will also build momentum for the RNC protests and links between anarchists that will continue beyond the conventions.
FURTHER EFFORTS TO STOP RACIST DEVELOPMENT and the targeting of immigrant communities
WORK IN A MULTI-RACIAL COALITION with a multi-racial turnout for the events HAVE PARTICIPANTS LEAVE FEELING MOTIVATED and inspired about direct action and the anarchist movement HAVE SUCH A GOOD TIME and create something so magnificently awesome that no one will ever want to leave. Ever.
I don’t know what Anarchists idea of a good time is, but I can parse “multi-racial turnout.” I mentioned it in passing in my previous post. CoC and Sharpton? Nation of Islam and Jeremiah Wright?
I also don’t need a crystal ball, to translate what “shut down, disrupt, and delay” amount to, when “All Tacits are encouraged”.
Since UA is a core coaltion member of R68, all their activities for August 24-28 in Denver have already been coordinated and coincided with other R68 members such as the ardently pro-Obama Code Pink.
The day in the schedule of R68 events which will no doubt be most relevant to the Obama campaign were he not to get the nomination, and therefore scheduled for last, will be
THURSDAY AUG 28: End Racism/Imperialism Day
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Both the UA and R68 home-pages boast guides to being arrested, to resisting arrest and resiting dispersal, guides to obtaining legal help, on giving medical aid for acute trauma, and long essays on gathering intelligence to scout out the most crucial intersections, warehouses, roads, and public spaces…how to document all the intelligence, and then organize to hit hard.
There is even a 20 page document on constructing helmets out of all kinds of home-made material, from rubber tubes, to plexiglass. There is also the occasional photo-documentation of rioters in Prague, Seattle, Cancun, and even Paris.
R68 offers a tactical guide which goes out of its way to stress the need not to judge or distance participants from “direct” and “hard” confrontational tactics.
When people say “hard” actions, they usually mean physical intervention or blocking. It is thought that hard actions cost the object of the action “a real price” and often end in arrests.
All actions, “hard” or “soft,” have the same goal: to make an objective change in the world.
Ultimately the debate over “hard” vs. “soft” action is only a distraction from the real question: could
this action make an objective change in the world?
Hard-action, can easily be substituted for “violence.” For R68, what matters is not the blood, but the objective. Recreate Chicago of 1968. Lofty. Denver really has a lot to look forward to, in its DNC August convention.
That some people behind UA have one foot in R68, while another in the Obama campaign, should not come as a surprise, but I have to emphasize, that I am not incriminating anyone on Axelrod’s payroll. I do not have that kind of evidence.
In my next post, I will present evidence of links between Obama supporters and R68, and readers will freely decide whether Obama’s camp doesn’t deserve a few honest and direct questions, and is not, from the perspective of law enforcement, engaging in subterfuge and potential extortion.
That the option for extortion is on the table, and in the Obama court, is, I intend to prove, indisputable.
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Jeff, have you alerted Denver or Chicago authorities yet?? It would be remiss not to, don’t you think? I’ll be contacting them at some point today–I hope others take the initiative and do the same.
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Does this in anyway although loosely remind anyone of Weathermen. I am sure it will be spun that way and I am fearful for anyone involved in this. WE, as Democrats, don’t need a bloody convention. The underlying theme here is to get someone to withdraw before it gets bloody. Sad that extremist have to revert to such tactics. American woman will prevail.
This is standard politics according to Alinsky.
Even if these mopes pull their punches in Denver they are planning fun and games for St. Paul. i.e. energize a Republican base that doesn’t like McCain much.
Who are the Code Pink people? I figured out there had to be a pro-Obama group out there. Who is training them. We all know about Obama’s training camp for voting strong arming at the Caucuses. I know now why the doors at my caucus site were not locked on time. The Democratic Party member to the DNC is pro-Obama as his wife who was our caucus chair. Now that I am aware of this I am going to start writing our election officials. I want all things investigated that has disrpted this voting season. I am really tired of it. Do you notice there is no such thing out of the Hillary supporters?
After reading this information, I am in fear of not only the radical leftists, but the power-hungry right who can use these disruptions to declare martial law. Remember, all the levers and laws are in place to quell democracy in America once and for all.
Suddenly, it becomes clear why the Obama camp has so religously supported his duck of the Jerimiah Wright issue and their odd, fanatic dismissal of the Bill Ayres, Bernadine Dohrn history, with their hate-America cause celeb. The country is surely going insane. I am a liberal but I still believe in law and
order. This scenario is classic right/left collaboration to the max.
Jeff: Please alert the authorities so they can be prepared. I am sure they would take this seriously. Also Hillary, and I believe she will win the nomination, should never ever consider naming Obama as her VP because I am sure she would meet an untimely demise so he could hop into the top spot he is trying to achieve at all costs. He is very dangerous, his associations already tell us that and the people behind him are dangerous to our nation and election system.
Let them try.
Nothing is going to prevent Senator Clinton from being named as the nominee. She already has the popular vote with the validated votes of FL and MI being counted in all new reports, and as soon as the delegates are seated, she will have that vote of confidence, as well.
This group, once they lose their significance of the moment, will turn on each other. And we know what happens then…
You people are unbelievable! And to think you call yourselves Democrats! This kind of rubish I would expect out of the Right-Wing gun-toting, conspiracy-theorists fanatics. The original posting and the responses sound just like Rush Limbaugh and his groupies!
Here is a Hypothetical Question… Lets suppose Osama Obama actually gets the nomination, will you vote for her or McCain?
Well, I think there will definitely be some sort of disturbance at the convention. But I don’t think it will amount to much, and of course Obama will claim he had nothing to do w/it. The media, of course, will take his word for it.
And sad to say, I do think he’ll end up getting the nomination. The idiot left wing guilty White liberals of the Democratic party feel that they owe it to him.
I used to say that I was a Democrat-leaning independent, but I’m to the point now where I’m just an independent. And if this Obama crap goes on much longer, I just may end up a Republican!
The post above mine illustrates how infantile a lot of Obama supporters are.
That being said, infantile people can also be demanding like babies. Only in adults, it can reach all the way to violence.
When does Obama speak out against this stuff? Or does he truly want to destroy the Democratic Party, as I have long suspected?
And then what? What can he achieve if he’s elected if he either panders to the right or if he suddenly tries to be a far lefty? What do you think Congress will do? Go along with him?
What a disaster this fool is. He and his followers are simply
ugly at this point and only interested in themselves.
Well, there you have it, just in case anyone had any doubts at all about the asininity of Excremento supporters……irrefutable proof…
the above comments pithy and intelligent discourse, the brilliant rationale…..ugh..the words, just words.
I was wondering who Code Pink was…silly me, I have seen all sorts of young women here on my lily white, upscale, latte, goat cheese and arugula festooned island a ferry ride away from Seattle sport Code pink bumper stickers…..and I thought it had to do with that line of sweats from Victoria’s Secret. I really did….
Poor things, they wish they were around the first time but weren’t so they have to make do with sloppy seconds…..
These must be the same stone chucking thugs that ran amok in Seattle at the WTO riots…..no different from the soccer hooligans
in France who rioted and created chaos and havoc.
But they must be stopped, they cannot be allowed to hijack our country.
I have been a Dem all my life but am registering as an Independent. I am thoroughly disgusted and embarrassed by the Dem party and want no part of what I am seeing if Hillary is not the nominee.
OVomit is a disgrace as a human being and I would never Ever EVER vote for him, or his skanky wfe.
Can you imagine it? A presidential portrait of that skinny half breed with that dumb looking grin. Obama move into the white house.
4 years of his apparatchiks yelling racist! everytime anyone might criticize him.
Its not pretty sight.
Whoah - maybe you guys want to switch to uppity’s blog format of SCREENING comments and choosing what to post. Poor kids, they really need a healthier hobby, don’t they. Keep up the good work.
Want to post link, think I’ll wait a bit til the air here clears. Don’t let them get you down. You do good honest work and we know it.
just looked at your comment bar - beside your article- see that words have been put in my comment THAT I DID NOT SAY.. then saw that same phony comment insert was put in many of the comments. …also found this crap insert shit on 2 other bloggers google listing.
Have these thugs never heard of karma?
LET’S START A LOG OF THEIR ATROCIOUS WEB CONDUCT AND SEND IT STRAIGHT TO FOX NEWS! We can report and document this insanity right on MSM and adjoin it with a clip of their hero’s IND speech clip “about those who use terrorism to get votes”.
So, let’s keep track of these hack-ins, report them to MSM and, in that way, beat them at their own game.
I have already alerted the FBI.
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And I the CIA. Let’s stop this crazy liberal conspiracy!!! Does everyone have their tin foil hats?
I alerted Martha Stewart and Oprah. Rofl …Tin foil hats are so in this year.
Tin Foil Hats! Great idea.
Did anyone notify SNL and The View?
..ooooh! o my.. “..the authorities!”
(gasp)
fascinating discourse you all have going here.
what is most especially hilarious, as i scan the comments, is that you all imagine yourselves to be part of something called ‘the left’..
ideologically, morally, and in terms of political imagination, the democratic party is/was little more than ‘the more charitable’ half of the business party. (republicans comprising the slightly ‘less charitable set’.)
so for the billion or so people who will spend thier day today looking for water, or for the billions subject to violence today, the nuanced distinctions you all draw between these capitalist parties is a selfish, perverse parlor game. a fetish. intellectual masturbation.
anyhow, wanted to comment because i made the above poster in response to an open call from http://www.nornc.org. it was no diabolical secret… sorry to burst your bubble. (tin foil hats indeed.)
i am neither an obama OR a clinton supporter. nor am i a mccain supporter. nor am i a rove or bush supporter. follow? just a solitary artist who makes posters, and like hundreds of millions of others i support DIRECT community democracy, not this absurdist sham of ‘representatives’ via electoral boondoggle.
[if anyone would like a nice HIres version of the above poster, just go to;
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3860464/radical_poster_(invitation_advert_to_crash_the_RNC)
(torrent)
be well y’all, and dont forget to lubricate. (chafing)
@hilarious
Its great to hear from an Anarchist, since we are writing about you.
If you actually bothered to read the posts, I am sure you may have noticed, that while “you” may be neutral on the DNC and RNC, many of your buds congregating in Denver under R68 auspices, are not.
You should take up your complaint with R68, and disassociate yourself from those who are going to use your presence, for their own political means.
I can easily identify, as I am sure many voters can, with the idealistic parts of your discourse, although it is lost in the gibberish about Democracy being a “sham”.
That said, you find it easier to design posters and chuck rocks at “fake” democracy, than actually joining us in making it work. No work- ethic in Anarchy - who needs it, cocktails are so much fun! All you need is a provocation, and bang, you’ve got your reason for anger. Anarchy, it does your rage some good.
I would welcome a renunciation of violence from you. And also a statement, on whether like all your buddies, you consider Middle Class American’s scum and collaborators in this “Racist and Imperialist System” of ours.
That is, after all, what I find scribbled all over your websites. That we are scum. It is, what you represent- a hatred for society, because it doesnt’ meet your criteria, and you lack the patience to dedicate your life to constructively improving it.
Or am I speaking to a rare exception? Please, elaborate. You’ve gotten our attention.
You can also offer your opinion, on why in this sham democracy of ours, the cause you are joining, is dedicated not to truth in media and politics, which would require you clearly identify Clinton as a victim of Discrimination, but to busting our party.
Logic, please.
good day juanita,
(back) and forth;
[Its great to hear from an Anarchist, since we are writing about you.]
i am indeed an anarchist, as you have noted, however i see little evidence that you are talking about me. i will keep reading.
[If you actually bothered to read the posts, I am sure you may have noticed, that while “you” may be neutral on the DNC and RNC, many of your buds congregating in Denver under R68 auspices, are not.
You should take up your complaint with R68, and disassociate yourself from those who are going to use your presence, for their own political means.]
i think you (among many others on this site.) conflate otherwise unrelated data in order to maintain this theory.
though i can see the phenom nearly enough that i can imagine how you might be teasing out such alliances.
perhaps as the obama voters are much younger on average, they are of an internet generation that has transcended the mental trap of nationalism and therefore may have come to view US politics very much as the youth of the world does.
with that in mind, they would have to TRY NOT to listen in order to miss the fact that for much of the worlds poor, the word ‘clinton’, like ‘bush’, like ‘reagan’.. translates roughly as ‘killer’.
1.5 iraqis starved to death, at least a third of them children… the bombing of eastern europe, the bombing of iraq,..somalia…
all of that springs to the mind of an international ear when one hears the name ‘clinton’ .. i probably agree with your opponents on this point.
however, i have no doubt that obama will be as much an advocate for white male supremacy as the clintons have proven to be over the years. he will make just as effective a killer as she.. comes with the job,
[I can easily identify, as I am sure many voters can, with the idealistic parts of your discourse, although it is lost in the gibberish about Democracy and “sham”. Of course it is easier for you to chuck rocks at face democracy, than actually join us in making it work. No work- ethic. Who needs it, chucking rocks is easier, right?]
“join us in making it work”
there are enormous assumptions embedded here.
first, that the structure you would point me toward was EVER designed to facillitate democracy.
on the contrary, ‘democracy’ was precisely what these elites were worried for. that is exactly why they did not found a democracy, favoring instead a ‘constitutional republic’.
(you know the line from madison..’ ..to protect the minority of the opulent from the majority.’)
so fast forward 200+ years and a voter can walk into a booth in wyoming and kill 13 votes in california?
our differences are not to be found in our opinions of democracy ‘the ideal’, but rather from the standpoint that you see this mode of government as something that resembles democracy and can be subtly maneuvered into a position where the actual desires and initiatives of the community would rise and find life.
i thought so for decades.
i certainly do not think so now.
this could be said; you seem to see a patient in need of a doctor where i see a corpse in need of a digger.
[I would welcome a renunciation of violence from you. And also a statement, on whether like all your buddies, you consider Middle Class American’s scum and collaborators in this “Democratic Sham”.]
i am sure we would disagree on what ‘violence’ means.
so i would say instead; i would not participate in, nor advocate intentionally and offensively harming any living thing.
yet somehow i do not think that is what you mean.
and juanita. i AM ‘middle class american scum’ alot of that has to do with growing up in a suburban american context. as a result, a good deal of my rhetoric is SELF undermining… a criticism that points as inwardly as outwardly.
(wondering also if the minneapolis police dept has ‘renunciated’ violence,.. or any police department anywhere? ever? or the US empire? how long should those around the world wait patiently for you to stop this thing the way you have proscribed? would you entertain the same experiment in patience if it was you children who had bombs falling into thier lives? i doubt it.)
[That is, after all, what I find scribbled all over your websites. It is, what you represent- a hatred for society, because it doesnt’ meet your criteria, and you lack the patience to dedicate your life to constructively improving it.]
so it is you who decides what is constructive?
and you write ..hatred for “society”.. as if society was static and singular. on the contrary, the earth is teeming with societies, many of them exceedingly more just, equitable, and democratic than the one you have singled out to refer to as ’society’.
society doesn’t meet my criteria?!? are you kidding?? i am a 35 year old white heterosexual male american. THIS society is positively falling all over itself to satisfy me, to the detriment of most of the worlds people and their environments.
[Or am I speaking to a rare exception? Please, elaborate. You’ve gotten our attention.]
i wouldn’t hope to suggest i was any sort of “exception” especially as this would mean accepting your perceptions and premises about the normative. i do not.
allright, goodnight. would continue if you had any additional questions.
ian
The punks who are planning this should go take a good hard look at what 1968 was really like. Actually talk to some adults who lived through those horrifying years.
Or perhaps they already ahve and are taking notes in Ayer’s classes. Would not surprise me in the least to find out Obama’s buddy Ayer’s has been planning an uprising since he went on the lam all those many years ago. Would be just his style- get a new generation to commit atrocities against fellow Americans.
The Feds are fully aware of all these whacko organizations- the web is carefully monitored by the federal government. They can run but they can not hide.
OBAMA WILL NOT WIN A GENERAL ELECTION. Read for yourself:
http://www.newsmax.com/john_leboutillier/barack_obama_hillary/2008/04/25/90992.html
WaPo: Clinton Hit $10 Million Mark Since Polls Closed In Pennsylvania…
Hillary Clinton might have just reached Terry McAuliffe’s prediction of raising $10 million since the polls closed in Pennsylvania. The Washington Post reports that the campaign has taken in more than $10 million, according to campaign ……
@hillarious
you have a logical problem, if you can disasociate yourself from the criteria you have, and those society is trying to satisfy.
There is no conversation with an irrationalist. You belong in a zoo, where you can live out your jungle utopia. No words, or logic, just blah blah. Pathetic. It’s obvious why you are so easy to manipulate into Recreating 68, because you are a self-serving moral masturbatory, an anarchist struck in his adolescence. Artist, with his outstanding posters. Pity the fool.
juanita.. not a logical problem at all.. actually it is called ‘cognitive dissonance’ and it is how social change happens.
it is the gap between the sinner and redemption, the gap between yourself and what you wish to become each tomorrow.
surely it is not you alone who has finished growing, and none of the rest of us?
an optimism of the will and a pessimism of the intellect.
(by the way, i have nothing whatever to do with recreate 68.)
anyhow (before i go i should compliment you on your deft and intrepid debating skills… everyone will be very impressed that i have been threatened with expulsion for.. what exactly? maybe everyone knows that you actually have powerful and concise arguments tucked away somewhere but you have withheld them out of generosity, rather than embarrassing me by actually presenting solutions to challenges raised. (but you are right, i never would have seen it coming.))
sorry to have embarrassed you to the point of anger.. just trying to introduce an unorthodox thought or two into the static. nothing personal.
There is no anger whatsover- except that we treat calling someone a Racist here, equivalent to telling them to fuck off.
What arguments, are you looking for?
You admit to middle class being scum. You admit to hating the supposed “values” you have imbibed with your social status.
Those are your words, not mine.
Cognitive dissonance, is not irratioanilsm, imaginism, or magic realism. That’s Breton, Borges, and OULIPO.
If you are not R68, then why did you make a poster for the RNC convention?
You don’t want to join us in our work, because you tell me I assume the structure never worked. I don’t assume anything, I observe your logic. It’s you who measure whether or not something works, on the basis of self-centered moralistic criteria. You have no objective measure other than your ego.
You say the word “Clinton” equals killer. That’s your right to say it, and think it, but its stupid. I cannot bring myself to elaborate.
Recreate 68 and youth, have less in common than you can understand. All social movements are top down and manipulate the likes of yourself, for ther practical purpsoes. You can come to Denver to make whatever statements you chose, but it will pale in comparison with the statement your organizer will use you for.
You say Obama will support the white supremacist structure- you are close to a middle age crisis, five years away, I suppose your getting premonitions of what is to come. I am not White, in the sense you use the word, and I fail to see the white supremacist structure.
You claim we conflate data, in our discussion of R68, and Obama. I just love such comments. Please state the specific conflation. THen we will have something to debate. From what we presented here, the situation is clear, UA is a conduit for confrontation, which R68 does not disavow.
Look, find yourself a woman, get married, and then go kicking society in the shins. Maybe you’ll move beyond your conceited criteria, into somethign broader more concrete, less wishy-washy and rhetorical.
People often ask me, why I even spend time on comments such as yours. I suppose I expect something interesting on your part.
I appreciate your frankness… but I maintain, you are disconected from reality- you live in some kind of solitary dream world, judged solely by your dream criteria, and subject only to your dreams.
There is a certain poetic quality to all anarchists, which is largely measure in a poor vocabulary, inability to rhyme, and millenial platitudes. In ten years you’ll have hit your nirvana - and become like the Charlatan from Indian Antiquity , doing their meditations, begging for food and money, and encouraging worship of the lingam. That’s what 68 ads up to.
Its a disconnect - from other modes of life - and I don’t think we can bridge it. You are fodder for delusion and delirium of charismatic leadership.
You hate yourself - and that’s fine for you, but not for me. I wont have you encouraging me, or my society to do the same. In fact, I will defend society, against your hate, whoever you may have it for.
I rather love the middle class - and for my mother’s generation, it was a dream, which I applaud her for achieving. You can talk about killers and white supremacists, but you dont speak for anyone but yourself. You dont’ speak for the 1.4 million Iraqi children you stupidly an inaccurately accuse your government of killing, you don’t speak for any third world countries, and you dont’ speak for any victims. You dont’ speak for anyone, but your bored, confused, and self-hating self.
At bottom, that is all your cognitive dissonances is about, about the horrible burden of having to dislike yourself because of what you are and how you live, and having to explain why your world is devoit of concrete love. you should cry more- its a better solution than hatred.
I looked over the Unconventional Action website and saw nothing that would indicate they support Obama. They do say this though:
We will expose to the nation that the Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin, both parties funded by the same corporations and upholding the same unjust political system which fails to meet the needs of the vast majority of people.
This whole article was completely taken out of context to support your skewered view on the election. Shame shame!