Jun 08 2008
Three Ways to Vote Obama
Our blog is Anti-Obama and Democratic , but not necessarily a place limited to or by, Clinton worship. If Clinton chooses to genuinely support Obama’s run for the White House, we will genuinely support McCain’s, as the only way of preventing such a run from ending in victory.
We will not write-in Clinton, we will not vote Nader, we will not sit at home - and we advise everyone against doing either of the three. Such options, are wrong. Unless you believe in Obama’s promises, these choices are not conscionable, nor ethical- as they are all equivalent to voting for Obama.
The only way -I emphasize- the only way of assuring an Obama defeat in 2008, is to vote McCain.
Staying at home and not voting - you vote Obama.
Voting for a third party candidate (unless it is Clinton) - you vote Obama.
Writing-in Clinton - you vote Obama.
It’s your choice - either you vote Obama, or you vote McCain, but the only way to vote against Obama, is to vote McCain.
There are many Americans, who faultily assume that we are either born, or bound to the party of our past. That if our parents were liberals, we have to vote Democratic, if our parents were Conservatives, we have to vote Republican. That if we voted for Kerry in 2004, we are bound voting for Obama in 2008. Sadly, this is a profound error - which runs against the grain of what it means to be an American.
We are Americans, first and foremost because we are free to vote as we like, in favor of candidates we prefer at any given time. Appeals to party loyalty, are appeals to tribalism, a form of social engineering and voter manipulation worst than the corporate advertisement which inundates our daily lives. Why anyone with critical thought would respond to arguments about the need to keep Democratic rank, is beyond me, especially when McCain represents as centrist a candidate as they come.
Indeed, McCain presents one of the most centrist Republicans since Eisenhower – one could almost call him a Truman Democrat. His outreach to Clinton Democrats is led by - of all people- a former Democratic Vice Presidential nominee. The message from Lieberman is “we are all Americans,” and it is a message well worth heeding, coming from Al Gores’ former running mate, and a man whose Senate votes are not so different from Hillary Clinton’s.
In appealing to our National culture and identity, Lieberman, is appealing to those of us, who believe in an America in which all its component communities are first and foremost loyal to the interests of their fellow Americans, and not their respective communities. In which the community, whatever its source - religion, race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, comes second, if indeed at all, to the simple fact of sharing the democratic and egalitarian values of broader American society.
Obama is not the candidate of such voters. Obama is a candidate of those, who doubt or do not believe in America as an idea, a country, a nation, a culture, and an appellation. Voters and individuals profoundly uncomfortable with using the very word “American” applied to themselves; unified around a symbol of transnational victimhood, such people cast a vote against America- when they chant “Obama.” Their enthusiastic support for Obama’s Change, is enthusiastic support for negating their self-loathing self, from which they are desperately fleeing. Weight down by thirty years of guilt, of shame, and of an inability to assert themselves for whatever it is they may truly be, they are seeking a quick fix to their economic and social conditions, which they have been conditioned to blame on forces beyond their control.
Die-hard Obama supporters are openly contemptuous of calling themselves “Americans,” while soft-Obama supporters are generally reluctant or unwilling to do so. The first feel threatened with the term, as if it somehow implied Evil, while the latter sees no utility in it- falsely believing, that being an American, is as good as, if not equal to, being anything and everything else.
While true in an essentialist sense, it is patently false in a political and civil one. Being an American, implies participating in the construction of the American ideal in continuity with its past. Far from altering or destroying this past, the American Ideal is contingent upon it - and this has implications for those who call themselves, or would be called, Americans.
Cherry picking America’s past, either for the good or bad, is to negate it for either demagogic or personal expediency. Accepting it for its variety, of both good and bad, for the exceptional and the entirely base, is to tap into a treasure chest of sources and resources, for carrying on the construction of this Ideal.
The American Ideal, is by far, among the most beautiful and most sophisticated in the world. Its universalism, finds almost no parallels, except in the realm of religion and religious empire, and on a few occasions, as was the case with the Romans, French, the British, and the Soviets, civilizational universalism.
To belong to the American people, is to be part of a unique historical experiment, in which the fate of the nation, and today, the fate of the world, is determined not by the will of a single ruler or a clique of insiders, but by a popular and informed deliberation by all citizens of voting age. An experiment to allow those who would take responsibility for their fate, to do so.
To ideologically come out against such an Ideal, is to attack the desire of each and every individual to control his/her fate. Black Liberation Theology is just such an ideology. With its coherent argumentation for Black separatism and against Individual responsibility for Black Individuals by virtue of their Blackness, it denigrates the American Ideal and promotes its annulment.
It is a “theology” which has been allowed to propagate and breed by the multicultural left, one faction of American society with a consistent record of negating America’s identity. From praising killers and genocidal dictators, to allowing the Nation of Islam, the Black Panthers, and the Jeremiah Wrights to preach to America’s masses, multiculturalists relegated the American Ideal to equality with vindictive dogmas preaching hatred, inequality, and outright barbarism.
Little wonder that it is not multiculturalists who are at the forefront of women’s’ rights in the third and Arab world, but the conservative right of Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes. Multiculturalists, after all, claim that all “cultures” are equal - and that the Western, and American Ideal, deserve no special loyalty or fidelity from those who daily enjoy the fruit of such ideals by incessantly hating and lambasting them.
It is only a wonder, that this equality was not magically extended to the Creationists, to Fallwell, the KKK and the Nazis. If the infallible logic of the multiculturalists allows for equality between the barbarism that is Islam, or equality between states with no democratic institutions and states that boast them, then on what grounds does it treat the KKK, with its claims of fostering hope and love, differently from the Trinity United Church of Christ?
In as much as Clinton wants to support the candidate who is now the embodiment of this multiculturalist attitude which relegates our nation’s unique and exceptional culture to equality with the Irans and North Koreas, she is not the candidate Americans should even consider supporting.
We have to wait before we judge Clinton on this; her pledge to support Obama, needs time to be put into effect – and it may indeed amount to little more, than lip-service.
Republicans already appreciate her failure to mention McCain or the Iraq war in yesterday’s speech, while their candidate showers praise upon her, and it is no secret to whom Lieberman’s Citizens for McCain is reaching out.
Regardless of where Clinton goes, Americans of all stripes and hues, should affirm our solidarity and unity to the American Ideal of progress, equality, and liberty, and not a Democratic party whose heart is devoted to dividing, splicing, and dicing us into little camps focused on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, and sexual orientation.
In some sense, the Democratic Party selected the best candidate to represents just such an ideology of division and factionalism. Instead of going an inclusive Clinton with her encompassing coalition, the party chose a man who better represents its multi-cultural ideology of Victimhood and divisiveness. Instead of asserting its role in the American Ideal, the party chose a man who asserts its role in negating and destroying it with words which Condemn America to Biblical Shame – Change, Hope.
Because we are hopeless?
Sitting out against such a candidate, writing in a candidate who may indeed support such a candidate, or voting a third candidate, is the surest and quickest way, to ensure, that just such a candidate is elected to the head of this nation!
What this will entail for the Ideal of being an American, needs little elucidation. Our turbulent times have little need for more fragmentation and self-loathing in the world’s only superpower. The world is looking for an America which can maintain order, and an acceptable degree of stability, not one which cannot make up its mind about its identity and fails to determine its interests because of cultural discontinuity that puts this identity in question.
As much as you may not relish or like it, voting McCain is the only way of assuring Obama does not win. Personally, I have trouble voting “Republican”- but I also know, that I have a duty to this country, which goes far, far, far beyond partisan politics. Just as I find it difficult to call Obama a Democrat, because my idea of a Democrat is closely associate a Bill or Hillary Clinton, I find some consolation in McCain’s strong history of independent judgment, bipartisanship, and the presence of other Independents and former Democrats, on his campaign. Better four years of a McCain, even with his war hawks, than four years of Obama, with his far more dangerous, and immediate threat to this country.
The choices may not be good, but the responsible make the ones that are the best from the worst. Those who choose not to choose, are in fact choosing to be irresponsible, and vote Obama.
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I agree, I will vote for McCain and encourage everyone around me to do the same. The objective now is to defeat Obama and the DNC. And I think it will be the fight of our lives.
May I be the first on this post to say Clinton or McCain. These lying, cheating DNC/BO people need a hard lesson, and we need an American Patriot for President. Hillary or John. I’m in.
Opps, Betty was first. I’m happy to be second, as in Clinton is my first choice and McCain is my second. I looooove voting for Americans.
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I assume ALL of you who are going to vote for McCain will urge your children and grandchildren to enlist immediately in the military because McCain is bound and determined to stay in Iraq for decades, and he most likely will go to war with IRAN too which means the overstretched U.S. military is going to need more cannon fodder and ALL of you former Democrats should be more than happy to get your kids and grandkids to enlist NOW in some branch of the U.S. military. Preferably the Army or Marines because they are really hurting because of four and five tours. I’m sure you McCain fans will see this is the ONLY patriotic thing to do.
Bill,
I’ll take McCain over Obama every time, at least he loves America.
billy …are you EKSatarist in disguise?? You sound exactly like the bamabully troll I’ve run into before? Maybe you work in side by side cubicles over in obamaland. If so, my best to EK.
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To Whom It May Concern,
I wanted to inform you about another website called http://www.obama-wire.com that is devoted to breaking the media’s generous spotlight on the Obama campaign. I think together our sites are trying to achieve the same goal–not getting Sen. Obama elected, and I also think together we can get closer to achieving our goal. It is in this mindset that I respectfully request you to add my website’s link to your blog.
Cheers,
Sam
Obama threatened to bomb Iran long time ago… oh… but before he will talk to them… then he mentioned invading Pakistan….forgot to promise to talk to them though… mentioned Clinton somehow responsible for Bhuto’s assassination.
Will the real monger please stand up? If there is anything “real” left.
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My point being that Barack Obama WILL NOT become President of the United States of America this term! Even IF Hillary concedes, HEAVEN FORBID, and urges all of us to support Obama, WE WILL NOT vote for Obama!
Most will not vote at all and the rest will vote for McCain. I know that I do not want this to show on my voting record. I rather not vote at all and also change my party to Independent from Democrat. I am ashamed of my party as are MILLIONS of other constituents.
Nevertheless, I would like to add that if the race between McCain and Obama get to close to call in October… I WILL begrudingly VOTE for McCain in November! The Democrats still control Congress at least and ‘We The People’ WILL get more involved.
“Die-hard Obama supporters are openly contemptuous of calling themselves “Americans,” while soft-Obama supporters are generally reluctant or unwilling to do so.”
Where do you get off telling me what kind of American I am? I was saying the Pledge Of Allegiance in school, when it was still said, before you were born.
“Clinton wants to support the candidate who is now the embodiment of this multiculturalist attitude which relegates our nation’s unique and exceptional culture to equality with the Irans and North Koreans.”
Just exactly what is that “exceptional culture” you’re referring too? We’re experiencing Congressional gridlock and can’t get out of Iraq because of Republicans so I would like you to explain to me four more years of my tax dollars spent in Iraq and explain to military families four more years of their loved ones serving and dying overseas. Are you enlisting because if John McCain is elected I’m going to work with my very powerful co-Democratic Party members in Virginia such as Sen. Jim Webb to have a draft re-instated so to rebuild and take the burden off our courageous military. You see I live in a very patriotic military state and I’m sure that we could get it done.
I suppose you are retired?
In any case, knock off the “draft” bogeyman. McCain has categorically stated he is against one.
I loved reading this post. Great written piece Jeff! People need to understand what is at stake and you responsibly explained the whole picture. Thank you!
I was supporting Hillary, now I’m supporting Obama. I found this post utterly unconvincing, generally painting with too broad a brush. For example, “Obama is a candidate of those, who doubt or do not believe in America as an idea, a country, a nation, a culture, and an appellation.” I disagree. But seeing that you haven’t provided any substantive support for your claims, but simple assertions, it’s hard to argue. So, I’ll leave it there.
Jeff, We always learn from your posts. My family agrees that is our duty to vote for John McCain. We decided to donate some $ to him today and let his campaign know that we are ex Hillary supporters.
i agree, we should all vote for mccain to ensure obama never sleeps in the whitehouse, what a disgusting thought ! america is more important than a political party. at least mccain is a real american and his wife is so much more first lady looking than that gorilla, michelle trash mouth obama. i would be totally embarrased if she represented america to the world. same with obama, uh, uh i uh uh am uh barack uh uh eh and hussein, uh obama, uh……..what a moron.
@Dan Morehead
Jeff is making his statements on the basis of research and facts previously posted on this website.
I think it is 100% accurate description of Obama supporters- your unease with using the word “American”. Its the “misery” in America gang.
Open your eyes if you want proof. Maybe looking in the mirror is enough.
Juanita - I guess I’ll do some more reading, but it’s precisely looking into the mirror which makes me doubt the accuracy.
Bill corcoran, we will get into a much broader war in the future from the likes of appeasers such as obama. Appeasement leads to war. Read history.
Beware, there are tons of bots saying “I was supporting Hillary but, now I support Obama” and it’s false. They are trying to give the impression they have switched that fast. I have worked on this for months and months and to a person except for two people out fo hundreds and hundreds NO ONE said they would up and vote for Obambi.
We’re NOT going to do it! and to the person who recognized EK, yes he’s the most ridiculous of slanderous bots. He lies all over the net, has his facts all screwed up and claims to be a forty three year old woman while in fact it’s twenty year old frat boy.
Join PUMA! Party Unity My ASS!
Great article! The points about wasted votes are votes for Obama and his contempt for America and its founding principles must be repeated and echoed as often as possible all the way to the election. The more he loses by the more Hillary wins. The more Obama loses by the louder the message to our enemies.
Please get your facts straight, Mr. Gold. Obama NEVER said he would just bomb Pakistan on a whim. What he said was if there was credible intelligence showing Al Qaeda or terrorists were just inside the borders of Pakistan he would have no problem at all with going after them in Pakistan.
Also, I see not one person addressed what I asked earlier in this thread. Namely, are all of you who are going to vote for McCain prepared to make sure your children and grandchildren of military age enlist in one of the branches of the U.S. military?
Every top uniform man in the Pentagon says the Army and Marines are stretched to the breaking point and they can’t continue to rotate the same units in and out of Iraq.
They need fresh troops and that is where the McCain supporters come in. A vote for McCain is a vote to expand the war. Not only to continue the war indefintely in Iraq, but the very strong possiblity of going to war with Iran.
So I ask again.
Are you McCain supporters going to make sure your military age children and grandchildren enlist in either the Army or Marines?
A simple yes or no will do.
And BTW, if you believe things are better in Iraq, I suggest you read my blog http://corksphere.blogspot.com where I report on what the mainstream media is NOT telling you about conditions in Iraq.
And one last thing. I have every right to talk about the condition of the military and the need for more troops because I was a Cpl. (E-4) in the United States Army Combat Engineers.
Bill, I don’t mind if you join the army and dissappear - since its you who has trouble with facts.
Stop pandering fear - and begin talking facts about McCain and the army. Yah- I can see you won’t even post on it.
As for Obama and Pakistan. Um- you are brain dead. It’s probably the same as when Obama said we’d first pull out of Iraq, but go back in if we needed to.
Morons - the lot of you Obamatrolls.
Pretty scary! Only in America…
Subject: Obama Not exactly correct
More on Presidential politics 2008.
READ AND THEN FORWARD TO EVERY ONE ON YOUR MAILING LIST. IT WILL OPEN A LOT OF EYES. OR AT LEAST IT SHOULD.
Obama’s Not Exactlys:
1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google ‘Obama Selma’ for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga’s follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that….and for more.
Obama’s cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians’ homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother’s side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father’s side. While Barack Hussein Obama’s father was from Kenya, his father’s family was mainly Arabs. Barack Hussein Obama’s father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father’s birth certificate even states he’s Arab, not African Negro). From….and for more….go to…..
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
4-3-08 Article “Obama was ‘quite religious in islam’” http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago:
Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says “Obama’s narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.”
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn: how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Voting “Present” is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn’t write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.
31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
34.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.
35.) I don’t Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.
38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
“Qui non intelligit aut discat aut taceat”
“Who does not understand should either learn, or be silent.”
Brenda: I’ll bet you haven’t a clue how many brave young Americans were KILLED in Iraq over the weekend.
McCain isn’t going to tell you.
Do you have any idea how many returning veterans are suffering from PTSD?
You know, of course, McCain wants to cutback on benefits for veterans. Surely you know that.
As for Obama saying he would pull troops out of Iraq, he is only supporting what over 70% of the American public want done.
If you can’t see McCain is a warmonger like Bush then you haven’t been reading and watching enough news.
Have you read what the recruiting offices are doing to try and get young people to join the military? I didn’t think so.
I don’t peddle “fear.” I tell the truth and you can read what is happening in Iraq on my blog http://corksphere.blogspot.com. I deal in FACTS.
Why don’t you and rest of the people on this site tell me the REAL reason why you dislike Obama?
Oh, never mind. I know why.
For all you female McCain-ites to ponder from my friend Juan Cole at http://juancole.com/
The Real Question is, Would a President McCain be good for Women?
A spate of newspaper articles has appeared profiling women activists who are furious that their candidate was defeated and who feel Senator Clinton was disrespected because she is a woman. It is often alleged that they are so angry and disappointed that they will refrain from voting for Barack Obama this fall.
I have been dismayed by the prominence of identity politics in the Democratic primaries. Working class men supported John Edwards, who sprang from their ranks (though I suspect he hasn’t had a callus lately). African-Americans swung behind Barack Obama as soon as they were convinced that he had a chance of winning. According to opinion and exit polls, middle-aged and older white women disproportionately favored Clinton.
A successful, progressive Democratic Party has to be based on principles, not on voting for people who look like you. The principles can unify. Everyone needs health care. Everyone needs social justice. Everyone needs peace and prosperity. The general public, including independents and even some Republicans will vote for these principles. In a presidential contest based on principles, Senator John McCain has disadvantages.
But if we admit the principle that people should vote on the basis of their self-ascribed identity, well, people who consider themselves “white” are still a majority in this country. (Whiteness in American history is not a ‘natural’ given based on skin color; it is a social status constructed over time in people’s minds. Irish Catholic working-class immigrants to the US were not considered white by WASPs in the mid-19th century. The Irish had to work hard to get in.)
Republican strategists have long taken advantage of the representational politics of race and gender. Lee Atwater turned Michael Dukakis into an African-American criminal by tying him to a Black parolee who later committed a heinous crime. Message from the Right? Liberal=Black, and not the Bill Cosby kind, either. The American Republican Party is almost completely a party of “whites.” Yet Colin Powell and Condi Rice served as Bush’s secretary of state. Why? So as to counter by image the sad reality that is so visible on television whenever the Republican convention is held every four years. Bush even explicitly used their presence in his cabinet to sidestep the question of why he had not done anything for African-Americans (in fact his policies deeply harmed them).
A similar but slightly different dynamics of identity politics involves substituting ethnic shibboleths for political reality. Thus, Bush’s social policies enraged 85 percent of American Jews, who are mainstays of American progressive politics. Bush attempted to make up for this deficit by supporting the Israeli Right to the hilt in public, substituting photo ops with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and then Ehud Olmert for any engagement with the ideals of real, breathing American Jews. The unfortunate excesses of all the candidates in their recent speeches to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee continued that tradition. If principle were an issue, then the status of Jerusalem would be a matter for international law and the United Nations Security Council. Those speeches were not about principle, but about courting what the candidates think is a single-issue constituency (of course in reality it is not [and it is insulting to think it is].)
But back to candidates. The rule in telepolitics is that a face trumps policy. Does Bush blithely allow the African-American districts of New Orleans to be wiped off the face of the map? It is o.k. because Condi Rice is in his cabinet.
It stinks.
If women who supported Hillary Clinton let themselves fall for this reactionary trap, they will undo most of the achievements of women in the past 40 years.
A President McCain will support Ward Connerly’s deceptive campaign against affirmative action, which has been proven to hurt women’s businesses and to help the businesses owned by cranky old rich white men.
McCain has an appalling track record on issues of global women’s reproductive rights and health. McCain has also steadily moved toward an absolute anti-choice position, as he attempts to appeal to the Religious Right. A President McCain may well appoint the successor to Ruth Bader Ginzburg on the Supreme Court, and his nominee will be anti-choice. The court is nearing a majority of anti-choice judges, and the long dream of the American religious Right, of overturning Roe V. Wade, is in reach for them. A McCain court could overturn reproductive rights perhaps within a year of its formation.
The Right in another country once advocated that women be limited to Kirche, Küche, Kinder” (church, kitchen, children). There isn’t anything wrong with any of those, of course. It is the limitation that is objectionable. That limitation is effectively what John McCain’s policies lead to. Think about it.
Actyally - only the “15 staters” HAVE TO vote McCain. The rest of us have more options
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080608/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_countdown
Shrinking the electoral map.
From now on, the great majority of Americans can be excused if they barely realize a presidential election is under way. They will see virtually no TV ads, visits by candidates or local news coverage.
That’s because this campaign, like the last two, will focus on about 15 competitive states. Both parties see the other states as reliably in their camps and not needing attention, or totally out of reach and not worth the effort and expense of trying to win them. In either case, these states will largely be ignored.
McCain will start by trying to hold the 31 states President Bush won in 2004 (which are almost identical to the 30 he won in 2000). If he succeeds, he will be president.
Obama must claim one or more of those states, while losing few if any of the ones Al Gore and John Kerry won in their narrow losses to Bush.
The magic number is 18. That’s how many electoral votes Obama must add to Kerry’s 252, from four years ago, to secure the presidency. For example, if Obama carries Iowa (seven electoral votes) and Missouri (11) without losing any Kerry states, he would become president.
Other states Obama will target as possible pickups are Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado and at least one — Virginia — not normally within the Democrats’ reach.
I have left the dem party and have registered with the Missouri Republican Party. I have already contributed to McCain and will vote straight republican ticket in November. The reasons? 1) America First, Dem Second. I will NOT support a terrorist financier, a terrorist sympathizer, a RACIST, a sexist, corrupt fraud like Obama. He is ANTI-america. 2) The DNC allowed and promoted unfair, ugly sexist treatment to bully Hillary out of the race. I will NEVER forget their actions this primary season. To treat a woman with such accomplishments, such skill and who won the popular vote with such disdain will be confronted. I want Dean, Brazile and Pelosi to hit the road. What they did to Michigan, Florida and Clinton will NOT be tolerated. I contributed over $200 to Hillary. The DNC won’t get a dime from me.
I’m in for McCain…I’m a Hillary Democrat!
Barack Obama and the DNC have already undermined and set the Women’s Movement back a hundred years as well as Civil Rights and Race Relations. John McCain and the Repubs are never going to over turn Roe V Wade. They are not stupid.Just as Dems are never going to fully ban guns.
Besides I do not care about that issue any more and will leave that up to the Obama Girl and all the other women that are in his corner.I helped fight the feminist fight and am moving on to other important issues.That’s a non voter issue for me and millions of women, right now.
I have looked in to every faucet of Obama’s life, read his two boring and self absorbing books and checked every single article and record that I could find on him and he is hopelessly unqualified to run as dog catcher much less President of The United States.
While I have always thought a lot of McCain, I never seriously considered voting for him. I am after all a Democrat and vote accordingly.
But given the choice between him and a man who writes and says that his Pastor is his mentor and spiritual advisor and who married him and his wife and baptized his daughters, I only have to remember those rabid “Naw, Naw, Naw,Not God Bless America,G-D America” rants that he sat and listened to for 20 freaking years and I will have absolutely no qualms in pulling that lever for the War hero,John McCain a man who clearly loves his country and damn near died for it.
Proof that this was a pro McCain site all along.
A vote for McCain is a vote for the continuation of the disastrous Bush policies. Bush lied to get us into this war, and now, you folks want more of the same?
AAh the truth comes out at last. A repub site pure and simple. Stupid dupes. Ask yourself why this site is still around? It was never about Hillary.
I posted on this site a few months back and realized it was a front for the Republican Party. It has now been confirmed. This site is made up of neocons posing as disgruntled Democrats. Who do they thiunk there are kidding? Like the poster above said, this site was NEVER about Hillary. It is an anti-DEMOCRAT site plain and simple,.
I am in. I will not vote for Obama. The author is correct…write ins, 3rd party votes, or staying home just won’t work. The “right wing” of the Republican party does/did not like McCain either; however, they did not gang up on McCain and let the PEOPLE vote him in. McCain was not hand picked from the beginning by the party. Where would McCain be had the media conspired to beat him up every single day? The Republicans voted in their candidate, according to the rules of the party. The rules were not tampered with, changed, and slanted in favor of another candidate. As a result, the people voted their strongest candidate to beat the democrats. This is in stark contrast to Senator Clinton’s campaign. The Democratic party is corrupt.
Well since I am now an anti-democrat I am going to continue to read here. For those of you who posted this site was a republican site all along, who cares? You didn’t post your source of confirmation; how about doing that. Perhaps you are Obama people trying once again to make us vote for your candidate in the general. NO OBAMA NO WAY - - AND YOU NAME YOUR SOURCE ON THE ACCUSATION OF THIS SITE. In the meantime, whoever you are SHOVE IT!!
bill corcoran - your methodology to win hearts and minds is to divide up people by their specific concerns and trying to scare them with it…… instead of looking at the bigger picture and taking the long view; the greatest good for the greatest amount of people. you are lying about mccains record on the draft and womens rights. its always democrats that are pro-draft.
and to everyone who thinks this site is a front for neo-cons just shows that anytime someone disagrees with you, it is on to the labels and name calling. obama people are seriously intolerant. their idea of change is everybody agree with us or else you are a neocon/racist/bigot/etc etc etc.
Oh, now that’s the new schtick, this site has always been pro-McCain and a front for the Republican party. Deny all you want the real opposition that exists by lifelong Democrats to this imposter, this record-less hack, it won’t get you anywhere 18 million voters understood that he was bought and paid for by the powers that be and that he is a disaster for the party and more importantly the country. Many of us have husbands, sons, nephews who have served in the military and who have seen active duty in Vietnam, the first Gulf war and the present war in Iraq. We realize that life sometimes means being between a rock and a hard place and having to choose. As strange as it feels to vote Republican our family will do so. The Supreme Court has a majority to overturn roe v wade, they selected the president in 2000, for god’s sake. How many times will people fall for that ruse. The DNC and the corporate media selected Obama, if we defect to McCain because they completely degraded Clinton and the people that voted for her they have only themselves to blame. Actions have consequences.
odocoileuson 09 : Let me say this about John McCain; he is a patriot, a maverick and a change agent. He has a history, unlike Obama who has a history of NOT VOTING>>> Get over it. This is a free country, and I decided months ago not to vote for Obama, and long before this site or any other came about. You can go back and tell your hero, that when Obama and his campaign, painted President Clinton, a racist, painted Ferraro and Senator Clinton a racist, HE LOST ANY ABILITY FOR ME TO SWITCH TO HIM. It is obvious that because of these tactics, Obama and his camp attacked a former president of the US, and used this as an excuse so that senator Clinton would lose her support among Black Americans. Obama has waged a vicious attack on President Clinton, Senator Clinton, her supporters and her VOTERS. NO OBAMA NO WAY NOT EVER. GET IT AND BE GONE!!
The article explaining Barack Husseins ancestry is worth checking out. He will be the first Arab American if elected. The more information that is discovered about Obama gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I know am beginning to truly believe he is being financed by terrorists who are using the Internet to donate to his campaign, as well as monitor sites like this and place obscene responses. They are counting on the fact that unfortunately most people are self-absorbed and ignore the warning signs just like they did before 9/11, allowing so many terrorists to infiltrate to receive instruction to fly aircraft for example. This election is scary to a white middle aged middle income woman like me, I believe that the Obama backers harbor genuine hate to white women. I have been a lifelong Dem that changed to unaffiliated, our states version of Independent. I will vote for McCain and encourage everyone I know to do so. I came to this site because of an overwhelming dread that I was alone in my horror about this Obama person, not as a Republican.
Not that simple, Rita, darling.
Mr. Corcoran has done a masteful job in bringing the facts on Obama and McCain to light. I will try to add to this effort over the coming months.
Once all the facts are in, most former Hillary supporters will choose to stay with the Democrats. Many former Republicans will switch over.
Obama’s the best man for the job. He has the first rate intellect, organizational and leadership ability, combined with innovative approaches to government, which America needs to get back on track.
Let’s end the disastrous economic and military policies of the Bush era and make a fresh start.
Obama in 2008.
The article explaining Barack Husseins ancestry is worth checking out. He will be the first Arab American if elected.
Obama is not an Arab. Obama is not a Muslim.
He is Anglo Irish on his mother’s side, from Colonial era American stock.
He is Luo on his father’s side. Luos are not Arabs. Luos are tall, thin, and almost jet black.
Arabs on the other hand, look like Sadam Hussein. Arabs, for the most part, don’t care for black Africans. It’s completely idiotic to characterize Luos as Arabs when Arabs dislike black Africans.
Chandler, get your facts straight. Clown.
I still say Obama’s dad is not an Arab. In Africa, Arabs in Kenya, Somalia, and Sudan are black Arabs who rape the darker women to make lighter children. His family does not look 43% Arab and 7% black. It is ridiculous to ay he is an Arab after looking at his African grandma, father, and other relatives. His relatives look very sub-Saharan. Arab is not a race anyway, so I do not know why his birth certificate would say Arab. AND Arabs are considered caucasian in the anthropological world unless they are mixed with black. The only thing I can think of is that they feel culturally as Arabs just like blacks in Latin America describe themselves culturally as Latin and not African. Also, you do not have to be an Arab to have an Arabic name. And a lot of African names are taken from Arabic.
I am not defending Obama, but coming from a Middle Eastern family, I wanted to set the record straight. I do care about his lies, but this part is trivial.
you didn’t post your source of confirmation; how about doing that. Perhaps you are Obama people trying once again to make us vote for your candidate in the general. NO OBAMA NO WAY - - AND YOU NAME YOUR SOURCE ON THE ACCUSATION OF THIS SITE.
It’s very simple. Hillary asked her followers to support Barack. This site has encouraged her followers to vote for Mccain. I don’t need to post sources to confirm. This site itself is confirmation. Once again, you folks are part of a fringe and statistically unimportant. Yell all you want, vote McCain. We don’t need your vote. My short time here is over. You have no point you have no sense of reason or purpose. You just want to be angry. So be angry. Good for you, let it out. Your anger is also irrelevant. This election is too important for you and your petty sense of entitlement. One day you can tell your grandchildren that you vehemently opposed the first African American and best president the nation has seen in generations. You can tell them you were bitter and angry and wanted to lash out. You can tell them you preferred hate and intolerance to rationality. You can tell them that you didn’t have the guts to be loyal to the country or the fortitude or the moral compass. How tired and old you sound. You want to know what the problem with this country is? Look in the mirror. I think you will find the answer you have been searching for.
No, with write-in I will vote for Clinton! This nation deserves the best leader. Clinton forever - Obama never!
“If women who supported Hillary Clinton let themselves fall for this reactionary trap, they will undo most of the achievements of women in the past 40 years.”
Ummm, sorry, when Hillary got shafted by the DNC, THAT was the biggest insult to women in the past 40 years.
And no, sorry, McCain being in office does not mean women are going to suddenly stop working and become housewives like they were in the 60s. Get real.
I will vote for McCain if just that far right Republicans HATE HIS GUTS. A vote for McCain is a vote to bring the Republicans back to a more moderate version of themselves, and that can’t be a bad thing.
Those of you who follow the events in Iraq and Afghanistan on my blog http://corksphere.blogspot.com probably know I was an investigative reporter and columnist for 40 years in addition to serving in the Army as a Combat Engineer.
Why I mention this is because two major television news networks are preparing stories on sites like this one and another site http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/index.html just to name a few that have popped up since Barack Obama entered the race for POTUS.
This is not a fear tactic but instead a heads up to watch your network and cable TV news.
The truth will set you free.
This is a marvelous piece of writing. Can I publish on my tiny blog? You have expressed exactly how I feel. Also, given the way people have been talking about not voting or writing in I want to see a real protest and that would be to go to McCain. Actually, what I truly wish is a McCain/Hillary ticket, I wrote about that today. Please can I cut and past you? This is sooooooooooooooo important right now. Juanita,
I have links in the wiki to Hillary’s history. She started off a Repub and became a Dem. Well after the last 8 years, we have to get out of this mess, I swear. I feel McCain and Colin Powell can get us out of the mess we are in. I so wanted Hillary.
The Obamabots are idiots. You can’t waste your time on them. They are unfortunately a stupid lot since they believe all his hype and lies and twists and turns. If it isn’t Hillary then McCain. Vote straight republican. Don’t give the democrats one single win. This year and next we can vote to get the rotten apples out of this party. I really hate Obama and his crowd.
I really hate Obama and his crowd.
You’re certainly making a calm, levelheaded decision about whom to vote for.
@vbonnaire
Of course! We encourage it! We even encourage editing if you source. This is especially good for Juanita’s and Jamal’s posts- if you like the topic but don’t like their language
Maybe the Obama supporters who accuse others of being undercover Republicans should examine the Republican support that has assissted Senator Obama thus far.
http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=homepage
This is just one group that has been in effect since’06, long before anyone was advocating Democrats vote for McCain, since the Republicans didn’t even have a fronrunner at that time.
Check out the links, especially to the “Anybody But Hillary” campaign.
Note too that long before the myth of Operation Chaos, Republicans and Independents were being encouraged to crossover and become “Democrats for a Day” with the blessings of the Obama camaign.
Makes you wonder just how much of the pro-Obama support was and is actually Republican based.
I think the McCain vote is only a necessity in swing states
“he magic number is 18. That’s how many electoral votes Obama must add to Kerry’s 252, from four years ago, to secure the presidency. For example, if Obama carries Iowa (seven electoral votes) and Missouri (11) without losing any Kerry states, he would become president.
Other states Obama will target as possible pickups are Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado and at least one — Virginia — not normally within the Democrats’ reach.
He must play defense elsewhere in hopes of keeping McCain from snatching Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oregon, New Hampshire and possibly Maine, all of which Kerry won.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080608/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_countdown
if your home state has been named here, vote McCain. if not, thisrd party, stay home, write-in are valid options, IMHO
Jeff,
I just wanted you to know what Chuck Todd on Meet the Press on Sunday. He actually verified the fact that Clinton lost because Pelosi, and Deal initiated their own campaign to prevent the Clinton’s from ever getting back in the White House. They started this before the real campaign ever got started. Please go to MSNBC and click on the link for Meet the Press and view the video or read the transcript. It is outrageous. The only reason we haven’t heard more about this is because it was on at 8am instead of 10. In any event, I really believe that all Hillary supporters should let the DNC know that we are infuriated that they would manipulate our election and then stand on the premise of Democracy. I would suggest you view this website before they scrub it. I have a copy of his comments on my desktop.
We keep hearing the anti-Obama “haters” making wild and unsubstantiated claims that Barack Obama has accomplished nothing on th legislative front. This site http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×6303258 destroys that argument by the anti-Obama crowd.
Next we will post a link to all he “accomplishments” of John McCain including his involvement with the Keating Five where old people, especially women, were bilked out of their life savings.
Here is another tidbit for all you ex-Democrats who now think John McCain is the greatest thing since sliced bread. A story about McCain’s first wife who he “dumped” for his present wife Cindy who is worth millions because her father owns a Budweiser distributorship in Arizona. This is a fascinating read and something you will NEVER see printed in the mainstream media in the United Staes: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html#
Fuck Off Obots. At least Big mac is honest with his relationship. BO is a closet bi-sexual. He went to bed with Rev. Wright and Donald Young. He better shut up his one time porn Sinclair.
DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN NEED TO ESTABLISH A PARALLEL “WAR ROOM”: Today B.O. began a “war room” to ferret out any alleged false claims about him, e.g., being a Muslim, and I suggest that we form a parallel war room to keep their feet to the fire—a Citizens Committee for the Appraisal of the (Obama’s) Thought Police (or whatever one might call it). It’s job would be twofold: to evaluate (a) cases where their objections/criticisms are unwarranted and/or guilty of illogical or biased claims, and (b) to seek out and expose from Obama’s websites, statements, etc. during the presidential campaign any sexist, bigoted, anti-white, anti-semitic, or anti-free thought statements—precisely what was NOT done during the primary. I’m prepared to donate both money and time to further this Oversight Committee. What’s so great about it is that, while looking forward, we will both be able to catch him in future unfair claims as well as bring to the forefront analogous cases for which the guilt of his supporters has never been exposed.
NOTICE TO ALL OBAMTOTS: It’s still a free country, and I’d like to keep it that way. When I go in the voting booth, I will vote for the candidate I choose. And it won’t be obama.
O-M-G! I just read this article from the NY Sun which sources article from the Wall Street Journal this past Saturday and need to pass this information on to those who have not read or heard! I can’t stand (Tangelo) Angelo Mozillo CEO of Countrywide. Here is another fine example of DOUBLE-STANDARD Obama! ARGH!
Top Talent Scout for Obama Tied to Subprime Lender
Could Become a Political Liability
http://tinyurl.com/3mtec4
Long-standing ties between a member of Senator Obama’s new vice presidential search team and a prominent mortgage executive the senator has pilloried could become a political liability that hampers the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee’s ability to tap into public ire over the subprime mortgage crisis.
“That reeks most high,” a public relations specialist and vocal critic of Mr. Mozilo, Bonnie Russell of Del Mar, Calif., said. “Where’s the ‘change to believe in’ if they’re playing the same old game using the same old players?”
On the campaign trail, Mr. Obama has criticized Countrywide’s executives. “These are the people who are responsible for infecting the economy and helping to create a home foreclosure crisis. TWO MILLION people may end up losing their homes,” Mr. Obama said in March at a town hall meeting in Lancaster, Pa.
Thank you Jeff for articulating the only choice for me and the many Hillary supporters.
I hope everybody has the time to read “What Hillary Really Wants” by J. Cifre at Savage politics.com
WHAT HILLARY REALLY WANTS
Many people, including Hillary Clinton supporters, have been asking themselves recently: What does Hillary Clinton really want? After any level of examination, the answer should be quite clear; she wants all of her supporters to vote for John McCain. This conclusion may seem at odds with her endorsement of Barack Obama, but only if you have not paid close attention to the entire primary election.
As many of you remember, Hillary Clinton gave it all for her candidacy. She spent months making the case that Barack Hussein Obama was unelectable, inexperienced, immature about foreign policy, even dangerous in comparison to John S. McCain. She also made the case that SHE was highly qualified, had the strong record on social issues and had the necessary judgment to be Commander in Chief. Many times she even made it a point to mention that McCain had already crossed the Commander in Chief threshold, while Obama had obviously failed to do the same. It would be fair to conclude that this was not dishonest rhetoric on her part, since even a casual study of Obama’s record confirms her multiple contentions. In addition, she also bluntly told most superdelegates in private that “Obama CAN’T win!”. In other words, she basically laid ALL of her credibility and experience on the line to make the case that the only two capable candidates in the race to the White House were John McCain and Hillary Clinton. Even Bill Clinton participated in this spread of this theme and made public statements in which he clearly pointed out that “it would be great to see a race between two people who really love their Country”, something that made all within the Obama campaign cringe, for the obvious implications of said statement; Obama is NOT patriotic enough to run for our highest office (the nefarious legacy of Rev. Wright, Mr. Khalidi and Mr. Ayers).
Clinton’s plea was obviously well heeded, and led to her candidacy’s automatic increase in votes, even among those who initially did not like her, and it also actively allowed her to reach the highest voting margin in all American primary history. As any observer of the primary season can attest, there was an almost dramatic urgency in her supporters (which increased every day) to battle against the dangerous pretensions of Barack Hussein Obama, an individual who has constantly exemplified blatant ignorance, inexperience, arrogance, sexism and anti-White racism throughout his campaign for the White House. Even key figures in her Republican opposition (who would have not benefited from her success), and who never had shown any respect for Mrs. Clinton, ended up admiring her and wishing that she would beat the odds against the Obama machine and take the nomination. But, at the end of it all, the Democratic Party’s thirst for cash was more powerful than the will of the countless Jewish, Hispanic, and White working-class voters throughout Florida, Michigan, and the rest of the United States. Money and political correctness became lauder than the women who actually form their base, and they quickly handed the nomination to the Obamas’.
After a hard struggle, Hillary Clinton was basically forced to capitulate her candidacy by the Party bosses and made to publicly show her “support” for their nominee. Many were the Clinton supporters who wished that she could leave her party and run as an independent, or that she would at least take her fight into Denver and fight it out ‘tooth and nail’. Instead, she appeared to have ‘thrown in the towel’. But anyone who understands politics, and/or is knowledgeable about her career in the realm of public service, knows that this reaction is simply too “easy” and must therefore reflect a long term strategy (something for which the Clintons are well known). What is then her ultimate strategy?
There are many curious clues within her latest speeches that should be pointed out to her supporters in an attempt to help them understand what she really NEEDS from them.
First, Hillary has continued to make the case of the 18 Million voters, that ‘magic number’ which constantly underscores the fact that she won the popular vote against Obama.
Second, Hillary DID NOT mention John McCain during her entire concession speech, a very strange fact when you consider that the whole strategy of the Democratic Party is based on the fictional contrast between Obama and John McCain, via Bush.
Third, Hillary has made sure to constantly state that she will continue to fight for her supporters and that one day they will actually ‘break that highest of all glass ceilings’ together, a term that she has continuously used to make the case that she will become the first female President. What is her underlying message? What important piece of the overall strategy does her wide range of supporters play into this political strategy?
There is NO DOUBT that if any Hillary Clinton supporter wants to see her (or any woman for that matter) become President of the United States within their lifetimes, Barack Obama HAS to lose the general election, and by a wide margin. Anyone who has ever claimed to be a Clinton supporter MUST vote AGAINST Barack Obama, if they wish to even respect and/or uplift her credibility as a political figure. There is, in fact, NO ESCAPE from this reality. Let’s look at her alternatives.
On the practical level, IF Obama wins in November, it would push her possibility of running for the Presidency by more than 8 years into the future, since she would NOT be able to run against him after the first term (even if he was a certified loser) because the Party would simply not allow her to challenge their incumbent candidate. By the year 2016, the possibility of a Republican candidate taking back the White House from the Democrats will be basically guaranteed, even if we only base it in the dynamics of how our system tends to work. Thus, this sequence of events would basically push her candidacy even further ahead for another 4 to 8 years (this amounts to 16 years into the future!). In other words, by voting for Obama you are LITERALLY barring her election FOR ALL TIME. Based on this measure, her candidacy entirely depends on Obama’s defeat. But, there is also another factor to consider in this election, which deals with her credibility and integrity, and that could also block her future chances.
As we have already mentioned, Hillary Clinton spent a lot of energy, and placed her entire career/reputation on the line (within her own party), to make the case that her supporters would more than likely not vote for Obama in the general election, that he was unprepared, that he was not ready, that he was ‘out of touch’, that SHE was the only one that could truly beat John McCain, etc. If she is somehow proven wrong in November, by Obama and the Mainstream Media, you can be sure that her role within the Democratic Party would automatically diminish even further, and that she could never again run for the Presidency of the United States. In addition, her entire campaign would be automatically labeled as a “shamefully racist smear” for all historical purposes, since she was the only high profile figure that continuously told everyone that “a black man” from her own party couldn’t win in America. Based on this measure as well, her future candidacy completely depends on Obama’s defeat.
Based on these factors alone, the ONLY chance that she and her supporters have of EVER achieving victory (and reaching the White House) is by helping John McCain in the process of defeating Barack Obama in November. The ONLY chance that Hillary Clinton has of protecting her legacy, is that her supporters prove to the world (and her party) that she WAS RIGHT all along, and that a corrupt and inexperienced anti-White racist will never win the White House. The only way to redeem Hillary Clinton in front of the biased Media is to prove to them that her judgment on the matter WAS ENTIRELY CORRECT, and that they were wrong.
This is the context in which you find her following the party line, specially if she wants to be nominated for 2012 as the “I TOLD YOU SO” candidate ‘per excellence’ of her collectivity. She is NOT doing it to convince you that Obama is now magically qualified, or to have you “follow her lead” into oblivion. She wants you to listen to her entire record, to remember the Media’s sexism and racism. She wants you to remember her complimentary words about her friend John McCain. She wants you to understand politics and realize the true meaning of strategy. She wants you to read between the lines and understand her message.
She is hoping that her supporters understand that the ONLY way that she can run again in 2012 is if Barack Obama is humiliated by an impressive defeat in November. Only then can she swoop down into the Democratic Party, negotiate with the elites, take back her party and defeat John McCain (in either 4 or 8 years). If Clinton’s supporters don’t listen carefully to her cues, if they don’t understand political strategy, if they remain ignorant of reality, they will actually partake in the destruction of Hillary Clinton’s legacy, and the chances that any of them might have had of putting a qualified woman in the White House.
As many of you may already know, and as many within the Republican party have complained about, and as Bill Clinton himself has even confirmed with countless speeches, Hillary Clinton and John McCain are very close friends, and as her longtime record confirms, Hillary is A LOT BETTER in choosing her friends than Barack H. Obama ever will be. If McCain is good enough for Hillary, why shouldn’t her supporters feel the same way about him? Wouldn’t it be better to vote for Hillary Clinton’s personal friend than elect a man who has been friendly with terrorists and America haters? A man who, in contrast to McCain, has NEVER laid his career and reputation on the line to defend her from his own friends and spiritual advisers?
When the general election arrives, I have NO DOUBT that Hillary Clinton will cast her vote for John McCain, just like McCain himself is reported to have casted his vote for Al Gore. To all of you who may have doubts of what Hillary wants, the answer is quite easy: Do NOT elect Barack Obama to the White House! You will do Hillary Clinton AND our Country a huge favor.
Thanks Princess M for that link. (by the by where’s Ahndruw lately, wasn’t he contesting the 2million foreclosure #), there’s the quote from NObama himself saying 2 million may lose their home)…..As for the political liability for the bambino, let’s see…”I could no more disown Mr. Mozillo…he’s like an uncle to me..he’s not the Mozillo I’ve known!”etc.etc.. Time for another speech?
I have been reading some of the “hate” comments directed at Barack Obama and as a former investigative reporter I feel it is my patriotic duty to inform the Secret Service about certain comments made by people on this site. It won’t be the first time I headed off some nutcase who is a threat to a politician.
Billy, whoa, major threat! Please feel free to hand me over to the SS. P.S….do you need your brown shirt ironed?
LOLOLOL!!! That was a good one Imustprotest… How true and Obama’s response to every obscene person associated to him. He and his campaigners are so twisted and demented it’s crazy!
Bill Corcoran, you are trolling a NOT OBAMA blog. It is OUR Constitutional RIGHT to express our DISDAIN for this man. What I find ironic and quite frankly amusing is how and when you justify ‘hate’. When it’s directed at Obama it’s considered ‘hate’ and you are insulted. However, when it’s Obama’s pastors, church and most everyone else Obama is associated with, you don’t called that ‘hate’… YOU justify their behavior as their ENTITLEMENT!
If your comment is anything indication to what Obama’s administration would have in store for all us… I would much rather remain with the moron WE already have in the White House! and I can’t stand Bush!
Billy-
It won’t be the first time I headed off some nutcase who is a threat to a politician.
You seem like way too an important person to be trollin’ on this blog. Bill, are trying to bamboozle me?
Bill,
Went to your site and just skimmed for a moment. Like to just say that I’m still a Hillary supporter who is voting for McCain.
And I’m a Viet Nam Era, female veteran. Married to a retired military veteran. And did you really say check out the cable news? Seriously? I quit them years ago, but while browsing channels, I stop in every now and then, and in so doing, I got to hear some of the horrible things being said about Sen. Clinton. So, you know what you can do with your cable news, right? And since I know military people, I hear more about some of the “real” news on Iraq. Meaning, I don’t need to read it from anyone.
And for the other ‘Bama-bots–if you were so damned concerned over womens’ reproductive rights, then where the hell were you when all the sexism was being blatantly thrown about? Believe me, I was born way before Roe v. Wade, and so I know that reproductive rights and feminism go hand-in-hand. Let me guess–Bambi’s had a sudden revelation and suddenly become pro-feminism. I’m with the people who equate this “unity’ schtick to the battered woman syndrome, where, after breaking the woman’s jaw, it’s all candy and flowers and let’s make up. I think not.
Doris:
Thanks for visiting my blog, but if you had taken the time to read many of the posts I have covered over the past few months you would have seen I have reported a lot on sexism in the military, rape in the military and rape with private contractors the U.S. taxpayer is paying for to give polluted water to our troops and not rig up and ground electrical systems and the result was 12 GIs were electrocuted. YOU DON’T READ ANY OF THIS IN YOUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER.
Also, I too was in the military so I know what I’m talking about. You can see my bio on my web page.
As for cable news, I hope to GOD you don’t watch Fox News when you are scanning. They are nothing more than a moutpiece for the Bush administration and they NEVER, NEVER ever report anything bad happening in Iraq.
I update my site as many as six times a day with the latest news from overseas and from my contacts in Iraq, Baghdad and elsewhere around Iraq. I have news that NOBODY has.
I even have GIs stationed in Iraq logging on my blog to reasd what is happening in Iraq so I don’t care how many GIs you know I know for a fact that the GIs in Iraq look to my site for news on the war.
Right about now is when the news starting coming in from Iraq so I’m off to update my blog http://corksphere.blogspot.com with the latest war news. News that NOBODY has but me.
Have you cost the Obama Campaign money today?
Google his last name, then click on the sponsored link at the top of the page. You have just cost the campaign $1.29! (make sure your mute button is on!)
If you do this several times a day, and so do your friends,…well, you see the idea ;-)!
I know you’re trying to be cool, but if you’re going to say something that sounds paradoxical, it wouild be nice to explain what the hell you mean.
Laugh if you will, but a vote for Nader does not look like a vote for Obama to me. It looks like a vote for Nader.
Black is not white. Up is not down. I am not a cheese bagel.
Hello, I saw this on the “Love Sugar N Spice” blog: http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com/
I thought it was a good idea:
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ALL HANDS ON DECK!
18 million hands - send them to the DNC!
1. Trace your hands on an 8×11 sheet of paper. Make it colorful to grab attention.
2. Write your name and city/state in the center of your hands and the words “I am one of 18 million.”
3. Above the hands, write: “These hands are on the front lines of democracy. I pledge I will not vote for Obama.”
4. Below the hands, write a line or two about your reasons you won’t vote for BO, why you are upset with the DNC, or whatever stirs your soul. We suggest you keep it fairly brief for maximum impact.
5. Put it in an envelope and send it off to the DNC.
Democratic National Committee
430 S. Capitol St. SE
Washington, DC 20003
6. Pass it on!!! Post this call to arms wherever you can! Let’s bombard the DNC with the millions of hands of the voters they dismissed, ignored, disenfranchised and belittled. And remember the old saying - “Many hands make light work.” GET FIVE Friends to do this! POST to FIVE sites!
Special note if you live in Florida: Make it just half a hand! Let them know you’d like to be a whole person again.
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And for the other ‘Bama-bots–if you were so damned concerned over womens’ reproductive rights, then where the hell were you when all the sexism was being blatantly thrown about?
Please fill free to show some examples. that goes for any of you. Please show an example of Barack himself being sexist. I’ll be waiting.
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Adam,
Even though I could give you numerous examples of Obama’s sexism toward Hillary Clinton, what would be the point?
Who cares if you agree with anybody’s opinion of anything?
Nobody has to justify their position regarding their vote.
They don’t have to be rational, reasonable or even informed.
They can vote for or against a candidate for no other reason than they just don’t like him.
Trying to bully people into voting for him will only make them like him less.
You may have perfectly legitimate reasons for supporting your candidate, but they are only your reasons.
If you hear women saying they are willing to risk their reproductive rights rather than vote for someone, you can be pretty sure they really don’t like the guy and are probably past the point of persuasion.
Well I just wrote to the superdelegates again, here it is, her reply and my response:
My email to all superdelegates:
“I just wanted to remind you that you are members of the “Democratic Party” and the democratic party has not acted democratically this entire election. Hillary Clinton is our strongest candidate. She has been treated terribly by the party, the party elites and the DNC. Rules have been broken and reworked by the DNC to accommodate Obama. Where is Obama’s birth certificate? I hear he is ineligible to run for President because his father was not and is not a U.S. citizen living here for at least 5 years. He is not the candidate of America, he is the candidate of some of the party elite and the DNC. Whatever supposed hatred you have for the Clintons does not justify what is happening. Obama will be defeated and all of you will be defeated when your up for re-election. We will take back our party out of the hands of the ultra left and fanatics that have taken it over. Shame on you for allowing this to happen. Shame on you for selling out America and the party’s principles. All of you should have stood by Hillary Clinton. I hear rumors that Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi are pushing Hillary Clinton to give up her delegates and that she will not be asked to speak or appear at the convention. I think this party has gone off a cliff and I for one will vote McCain. Shame on all of you for letting this happen. Unless you stop this insanity, you cannot call yourselves Americans or democats. This party is corrupt. As life long democrats my family (242) will vote for McCain and work our hearts out to defeat any democrat who voted for Obama or has not tried to do anything to stop this insanity. You will regret going against the people’s wishes to nominate Hillary Clinton.”
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Here is one reply so far:
Date: 6/10/2008 1:13:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
From: mjneville@mstanea.org
Dear Person Who Didn’t Leave a Name (are YOU a citizen??)
Several points come to mind – first, I don’t Hillary Clinton, I have an enormous amount of respect for her. She was not the first candidate I supported this election cycle, tho, John Edwards was. If you think back to the beginning of this election, Senator Clinton not only had the majority of DNC members supporting her, she had the majority on the Rules and Bylaws Committee that met recently. If you know anything about America you will know that you have to be born here to be a citizen – not your father. You are right when you suggest the rules haven’t been followed – even tho Senator Clinton and her team supported them when she was winning. Her man Harold Ickes supported not seating states that went out of the window – he voted for it and spoke out for it. then he changed his position and wanted to change the rules when his candidate fell short. You would do better to stick to the facts. If you get your information from FOX and Rush Limbaugh perhaps the Republican party is a better fit for you.
Here is my reply back:
“My name is _______ and I have been a democrat all my life along with 242 members of my family in several states. For as long as my family have been voting, they have been democrats. As far as knowing anything about America, I believe we do. According to the law on the books at the time of Obama’s birth, (from December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986) the presidential office requires a natural-born citizen, if the child was not born to two U.S. citizen parents. “…If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means that even though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, Obam’s mother fails the test for being a citizen for at least 5 years PRIOR TO Obama’s birth, but “after” age 16. It doesn’t matter “after”. His mother was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship. At most, there were only two years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawaii. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5, or 21 years old at the time of Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural born citizen. “Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of president”. Though Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other information does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. citizen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961 with 5 of those years being after age 16. A friend of mine went through an agonizingly long process to become a U.S. citizen after going through the exact same thing as noted above.
I do not get my information from Fox et al. I don’t watch the television news, listen to radio talkheads or read Time or Newsweek magazines, as they have been and continue to be bought and paid for by elitists with their own political agenda. As far as Florida and Michigan I disagree with you. However, you miss many other points, distortion of the rules by the DNC, additional delegates added to certain states, caucus strong arming, voter fraud, the DNC and party elites’ hands in awarding this nomination to Obama. I can never vote for someone with his affiliations, his inexperience and anti-American feelings from both he and his wife. The DNC complicity with party elites and hate for the Clintons, the party that the Clintons helped to make the great party it was until this year. The voters know who the best candidate is and that is Hillary Clinton and so does the party. It boggles my mind to see you say well perhaps the Republican Party would be a better fit for me. It is this attitude that is turning democratic voters away from this party. We do not want the party elites and the DNC to dictate who will be our nominee. In the beginning Pelosi said that whoever has the popular vote and now she says whoever has the most delegates. Everything changes to suit Obama. Perhaps you are right, perhaps me and my family are not needed in the Democratic Party and we are whistling in the wind when we voice our concerns and complaints. I think however, its the Democratic Party who have lost their way. I’d like to ask if you know if Hillary Clinton will be permitted to speak and appear at the convention. Another rumor I am hearing is that she will not be permitted to speak. No candidate in the history of the democratic party has ever been asked to end their race. Hillary Clinton was not only asked again and again, it was demanded again and again by party elites (for instance, Leahy) beginning in January. She could have and should have taken it to the convention.
As for me and mine we will not vote for Obama under any circumstances on any ticket.”
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I borrowed info from the email above (thanks Dan) to quote the law to her. Well who knows if it will do any good. Nothing has so far been able to sway these superdelegates and DNC into doing the right thing for our party and nominating Hillary, the right candidate.
Protest votes are common in most democracies. Whenever a party does something that the people do not like, they vote them out. If you vote along party lines no matter what, you lose the power of democracy. I’m glad to see this site is demonstrating what true democracy is all about… the will of the people.
Mr X well said, I couldn’t agree more!
JP49, thank you for sharing your letter to and from a democratic delegate.
I can NOT believe this delegates response! He/she parroted or echoed everything every other Obamanation has used in defending the Obamanation himself!
Are they not supposed to be OBJECTIVE when selecting a democratic presidential nominee? This person can’t even write properly! How did he/she become a politician? Shouldn’t this delegates response be professional and compassionate toward a democratic constituent? What a JOKE this party has become!!! ARGH!
I live in Michigan and voted “uncommitted” on our fiasco of a primary.
I am an honorably discharged veteran (Air National Guard), though I did not see action.
I am a Christian.
I have supported Obama since early in the campaign, and I will continue to support him.
Vote for John McCain if you like, but you will be voting typical GOP values: No, Veto, Status Quo. This includes an indefinite war in Iraq, quite possibly a new war with Iran, tax breaks for the wealthy and more uninsured Americans.
I’d throw McCain a salute for his service anytime, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for him.
Inasmuch as most of you on this site claim you are or were Democrats and it appears as though many of you will not vote for Obama, does this mean you are going to vote for McCain?
How about a show of hands.
If you really want to see blind Obamamania at its peak, and Hillary bashing at its peak, you might want to visit MSNBC owned Newsvine. http://www.newsvine.com
***Thanks Princess M for that link. (by the by where’s Ahndruw lately, wasn’t he contesting the 2million foreclosure #), there’s the quote from NObama himself saying 2 million may lose their home)…..***
Thanks genius, now read what Obama said and go back and read what Princess wrote. Use your elite reading comprehension skills and see if you can figure out the difference.
Here is a hint, Obama was right, 2 million people might lose thier homes. Here is another hint, that is not what Princess said. I’m not surprised you couldn’t tell the difference between the two.
Adam: When the media was unfair about Clinton I spoke out. Since 1992 I have been defending the Clintons. Feminism should mean that you can take criticism without claiming misogyny at every turn. Many of Clinton’s wounds were self-inflicted. When you decide to be political street fighter and win at all costs, you cannot be surprised when it boomerangs back at you. Clinton has to face responsibility for her own choices. If women cannot criticize their own, feminism has a long way to go then.
I left the Green Party because they were saying that there was no difference between Bush and Gore. The result was eight years of pure insane disaster. The Greens were upset at Gore because Clinton/Gore didn’t do enough for the environment. They told me that it didn’t matter about the supreme court. So we got Alito and Roberts — all we need is another republican presidency to overturn a lot of 5-4 decisions. I left the Green party because they didn’t care about our constitution and bill of rights.
The Obama campaign is not about any one candidate poised to save us. It is the recognition that we have to save ourselves by creating a grassroots movement to demand what we want from OUR government.
All the experience in the world will not help us. Rumsfeld, Cheney were in white house pictures 30 years ago and Colin Powell with his experience failed us. Experienced people got us in the strange, tragic mess we are in today. Mccain is experienced voting against the minimum wage and getting in trouble with the Keating 5. Excuse me for not being impressed with experience littered with bad judgment.
If the popular vote meant anything, Gore would be president.
The Clinton numbers of the popular vote left out about 7 states.
The Clinton campaign spent its time saying young people, new voters, black people, educated people, and caucus states do not matter. That is hardly inclusive. The Clinton campaign didn’t make me feel welcome at all with such talk. The talk I heard broke my heart and made me feel that our country will never ever evolve with such hatred. I do not feel at home with such hatred.
Marin Maven,
I am a black woman who lives in a caucus state who feels far more love from Clinton than Obama.
Obama never addresses black people directly.
Even after Clinton had been abandoned by the black community she tried to reach out, to apologize, to speak to black people about issues important to us.
She was treated horribly, accused of being racist on orders from the Obama campaign, based on the thinnest of “proof.”
Even I have been called racist by Obama supporters online, or worse, a race traitor.
Whatever inclusion and love you feel from Obama passed right by me.
Josgirl: You got the love from Clinton because you supported her. My point is that I am tired of feeling excluded because I voted for the other guy. I spent 8 years feeling I had no president, because he didn’t care about the people who didn’t vote for him. I want a president who is for all of the people not just those who voted for the victor.
I have never called the Clintons racist. I have said that they appealed to racism that still exists in this country. They made comments that were intended to dismiss the power and importance of grassroots work of MLK to dismiss Obama’s grassroots organizing experience. The Clinton campaign made unnecessary statements that just rubbed people the wrong way and then wondered why they were looking elsewhere.
My take is she shouldn’t of done anything to apologize about in the first place. It came off like Clinton took the black vote for granted, and she realized the consequences.
I have never received any orders to be anything but gracious and stick to the issues by the Obama campaign. I assure you that people who got off track and went over the edge are told they are not helping the campaign.
There are racists out there who supported Hillary. I ran into it when I did phone banking in Texas and elsewhere in the country. I have read them on various mailing lists who supported Hillary. The comments of Clinton’s campaign clearly inflamed these people. It made me feel sad when these voices were considered more important to the Clintons than my voice or any other Obama supporter.
There are jerks on the Internet. There are trolls who have been playing both sides who are sexist and racist. I am an Obama supporter and there are many Obama supporters who believe in taking the high road. We are reaching out. We believe that the more you know about Obama and his the more likely you will be pleasantly surprised.
As Obama supporter, I have been called a gender-traitor, cultist, and all sorts of things. I could let that bother me, but there are too many things at stake. I support Obama because he will be president of all the people, and my obligation is to reach out people who disagree with me and welcome them to join the movement to take back our government.
MarinMaven,
What Clinton comments inflamed racism?
How about Michelle Obama’s Nov. ‘07 comments that black people would “wake up and get it” and vote for her husband?
Or Jesse Jacson, Jr.s criticism of HRC’s tears?
Or the Obama campaign’s “race memo?”
Or allegations of “the Bradley effect” to explain Obama’s losses?
Or Obama saying he didn’t know how black WJC was because he had never seen him dance?
There are people like me who have researched Senator Obama pretty well and have found him lacking.
I am not a racist.
Senator Clinton apologized for anything that she might have done that offended people.
She listened to their charges, she withstood their anger, she explained her position and apologized for any misunderstanding.
You may reach out until your fingers ache from typing, until your voice gives out from preaching the Obama gospel and I will still be offended by the way Senator Obama has run his campaign and used race as a wedge against all opposition.
Until he demostrates that he is qualified to do more than front the party line, I will not support him.
Because the bottom line is, his “grassroots” strategy terrifies me.
His hijacking of the internet for his own ends is the tip of a dangerous iceberg, and I have been alarmed about it since the beginning.
Taking back our government, as you put it, is one thing.
Entrusting it to Barack Obama is something else entirely.
Adam,
Even though I could give you numerous examples of Obama’s sexism toward Hillary Clinton, what would be the point?
Who cares if you agree with anybody’s opinion of anything?
Nobody has to justify their position regarding their vote.
They don’t have to be rational, reasonable or even informed.
They can vote for or against a candidate for no other reason than they just don’t like him.
Trying to bully people into voting for him will only make them like him less.
You may have perfectly legitimate reasons for supporting your candidate, but they are only your reasons.
If you hear women saying they are willing to risk their reproductive rights rather than vote for someone, you can be pretty sure they really don’t like the guy and are probably past the point of persuasion.
The first real true thing i’ve heard from a supporter of this post. We’re mad because we’re mad and being mad is enough. For the record I have never asked for your vote. I don’t represent Obama and could care less if you don’t vote or vote McCain. Mccain will get lot’s of votes from people who think Barack is a Muslim won’t say the pledge hates the country and so on. But change will not come from those people. I think you are irrelevent. Your anger means nothing to me. It’s not about you. It’s about the country. But don’t tell me you support Hillary and now you support Mccain because their policies are night and day. Just tell the truth. Say you are a women you thought a woman should be president and now you will use the vote our men and women in uniform died to give you, a vote won through suffrage and the civil rights movement, you will use that vote against Hillary’s wishes herself to get your revenge on men everywhere. Just tell the truth.
Adam,
I assume the last part of that post was directed at me.
For your information, I do not endorse John McCain.
I supported Hillary Clinton for many reasons, only one of them being that she was not Barack Obama.
Now that she has suspended her campaign, I am left with two unsupportable choices for president.
As far as voting for a woman because she’s a woman, that’s insulting.
Hillary Clinton was a better candidate and would make a far better president than either of the remaining choices.
To suggest that I settle for the inferior Democrat because he’s a Democrat is as insulting as saying I would vote for a woman because she’s a woman or a black man because he’s black.
I have said that I took everyone who called what HRC did crying as sexist and got very angry about that including Jesse Jackson. I am not voting for Jesse Jackson, I am voting for Obama. Before the Iowa, people were saying that Obama wasn’t black enough and it makes sense that since he is mixed race that he actually had to reach out to a community that didn’t know him. Until the Clintons made the comments they did they had South Carolina in the bag. It was their election to lose and they did.
My whole adult life has been to fight wedge issues. I have spent time with Obama supporters and spoke to the campaign and it is 180 degrees away from your characterization. I heard all sorts of stuff being said about Clinton and refused to repeat it and took people to task for repeating it because that was antithetical to what the campaign was about. I would get very discourage and angry at all the insults and hateful things, and my fellow Obama supporters always remind ourselves to don’t fall for the hate and low road.
Grassroots activism terrifies you? It is the only way we are going to take back our government is through active citizenship beyond voting. We are in the dire situation because Americans are too passive letting status quo candidates tell them what to do. That is dangerous. Ultimately, we the citizens are responsible for the disastrous war and economy because we let republican party run this country without hitting the streets and fighting. The American people are too passive and let fear keep them timid.
I just can’t see the wisdom of entrusting our country to the status quo of Mccain and the republican party, who have a long history of failure, poor judgment, reckless spending and foreign policy.
Check out his legislative record and you will find that he has dealt with health care, veterans affairs, non-proliferation issues, toxins in products, and government transparency they are there in black and white. He is not an empty suit.
The grassroots community you fear are your neighbors who are fed up being passive. We are not entrusting Obama alone, we are entrusting ourselves to take responsibility for getting the change we seek. This is a bottom up campaign.
Obama didn’t hijack the Internet — he just reached out and people on the Internet in large numbers liked what they heard.
As someone who has been web pioneer and on the internet since 1993, I can tell you with certainty that it is impossible to hijack the Internet. Ron Paul supporters have been running rampant on the Internet. The Internet is way too big, unruly, cranky, diverse to be hijacked. Everybody has a chance to compete. It boils down to dedication, discipline, and passion. Young people who are more savvy with technology are drawn to Obama and will work hard for him and vote.
Not all young people, or internet savvy people, or college-educated people, or black people, or latte-sipping, arugala and waffle-eating people, or Democrats support Obama.
And if you believe that the internet can’t be manipulated then perhaps you have another explanation for identity theft and the Patriot Act.
Grassroots organization generally comes before large infusions of corporate cash, corporate funded grassroots movement is an oxymoron.
“Checking out his record” on his website is yet another example of internet manipulation.
BTW, I first began accessing the internet through Delphi, Compuserve, then Prodigy on a Tandy computer with DOS.
I checked his record on the library of congress and the legislative record is NOT his website.
It is a fact though that Obama does win among young people, educated people, black people, latte sipping, waffle-eating, wine sipping folk. To win doesn’t mean all, but it still qualifies as attracting support. Winning those demographics mean he attracts their support.
Obama’s campaign depends on a historically huge base who contribute 25 bucks a shot. Obama just has been better with his money than all the other candidates and can get people to donate their time rather than get a salary. His campaign is the best run campaign, which means my contributions are well spent. As someone who is on the ground I can tell you this is from the bottom up and there isn’t any money floating around, just individuals from all walks of life getting involved, some for the very first time.
I don’t care if this site is a front for the RNC or not. I still cannot under any circumstances vote for Obama — party loyalty has its limits. The party no longer speaks for me — I felt (mistakenly) that it did, but when the sexism and the anointing of Obama went on non-stop, I realized how masochistic I would have to be to vote for him.
Obama not corporate funded?
These people beg to differ.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_pam_mart_080226_obama_s_money_cartel.htm
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080428_hope_for_corporate_america/
As a woman who has fought against sexism and has faced sexism I really have to take issue with how people are throwing around the term sexism.
This is the same party who crowned her as a shoe-in for president and the media said she was the inevitable winner. The presidency was there for the taking. Obama simply ran a better campaign according to the party rules. Clinton didn’t conceive that anyone could challenge her for the nomination and didn’t plan for it. She didnt have a plan-b.
Obama has a strong wife and is a father of two daughters, who has fought for reproductive rights and issues that matter to mothers. Do you think Governor Sebilious is masochistic? Caroline Kennedy is masochistic? Do you think NARAL is anti-woman? They endorse Obama.
I am decline to state voter so I get not being excited about the democratic party, but voting for Mccain is not a vote for sisterhood and the end of sexism.
Okay, that’s why you want to vote for him.
I don’t.
All this back-and-forth changes nothing.
It’s as tedious as answering the door for people seeking to convert you to their particular religion.
And about as welcome.
I welcome opposing views.
I like being challenged. It forces you to think about how you develop your views. Being one’s views challenged is part of what a democracy is. If someone posts an idea in the market of ideas it should held up to scrutiny. If you post on a public forum, you should expect to be challenged.
You should welcome people to challenge your view how else do you know how strong they are?
I just wanted to point out that you are not defending feminism or Clinton’s platform by voting for Mccain. You are just voting for the republican party which has dragged us through a disastrous eight years, who has done nothing for working people, women, or people of color (except I do support comprehensive immigration reform which Obama supports as well). Mccain votes against the minimum wage and is not the defender of working people by any stretch of the imagination. You are voting for a man who has a long history sleeping with all kinds of lobbyists.
We are all entitled to our opinions.
Marin Maven,
If you welcome opposing views, you should get your fill just reading this site and others like it.
It seems more likely that you enjoy challenging those whose views differ from yours.
I do not support voting for McCain, but I see no value in challenging those who do.
It is much more enjoyable to me to engage others on issues where we have common ground, such as opposition to Senator Obama.
If I wanted to challenge those who support him, I would go to his website.
That has no appeal to me, while one called Stop Obama does.
I welcome opposing views because I enjoy engaging people who disagree with me. I tend to get bored preaching to the choir. If your views are as sound enough to be posted on a public forum, they can surely withstand questioning. I just find it curious that people who supported Clinton now think that a Mccain presidency will achieve their goals or the goals of HRC. You may not support Mccain, but not caring if he becomes president doesn’t do the country any favors — it merely rewards the RNC who have driven this country into the ground. Do you really want to reward a party that its own members feel is a failure?
All I am asking is people explain their views and put forth my arguments, thoughts, and feelings about it.
I have taken pains to be respectful.
Marin Maven,
It’s not that “people who supported Clinton now think that a Mccain presidency will achieve their goals or the goals of HRC.”
It’s that Obama is someone many people cannot, will not, and never will accept, embrace or support.
So, once you eliminate Clinton, all you have left is McCain, a third party choice or refusing to participate.
All the argument in the world will not make your candidate supportable to millions of people.
Unfortunately for you and him, a significant number of those people are in his own party.
Marin you need to take your ridiculous racism propaganda elsewhere. A major reason Clinton supporters will vote McCain is the way the Obama camp has treated the Clintons especially on the issue of racism. Most all of us have already read the now infamous “Obama camp memo” from Obama’s South Carolina press secretary Amaya Smith. Barack Obama has devalued the meaning of racism and the entire nation should be appalled and not just Clinton supporters. For your reading pleasure, Marin…then please go away!
Subject: MUST READ: Key S.C. figure takes issue with Clintons
SHUCK AND JIVE
Clinton Supporter Andrew Cuomo, Referring To Obama, Said “You Can’t Shuck
And Jive At A Press Conference. All Those Moves You Can Make With The Press
Don’t Work When You’re In Someone’s Living Room.” Clinton-supporting New
York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said the thing that’s great about New
Hampshire is that you have to go out and meet people rather than “shuck and
jive” through press conferences there. Cuomo said of New Hampshire on an
Albany radio station: “It’s not a TV-crazed race. Frankly, you can’t buy
your way into it. You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference. All those
moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living
room.” (Newsday, 1/11/08)
Perhaps the only charge on this list with any “racial” overtones whatsoever, but even that is dubious. It has already been shown that the term is used, and has been used, in a variety of settings. In fact, one thread on DU accused Donald Rumsfeld of “shucking and jiving,” and drew not one accusation of being racist. The term is used in songs, the term is used as resturaunt names.
Looking at Google’s news archive, we find the term was once used to describe Steve Forbes. The term was used to describe George Bush’s attempt at capping medical malpractice suits. The term was used to describe Saddam Hussien’s attempts to hinder weapons inspectors. Rolling Stone Magazine used the term in 1981 in it’s review of ‘The Allman Brothers Band: Brothers of the Road’ album. The term was used in a review of Jackie Chan’s and Chris Tucker’s ‘Rush Hour.’
Albany-Times reporter Rick Karlin, who first reported Cuomo’s comments, told Tim Grieve that Cuomo’s “shuck and jive” remark was “so far removed, temporally and contextually, from any discussion of Obama,” that he didn’t hear it as a reference to Obama at all.
Yet, the term does have it’s origins in racism, though many today have no idea of that.
MARTIN LUTHER KING / LYNDON JOHNSON COMPARISON
Clinton, Criticizing Obama For Promising “False Hope” Said That While MLK
Jr. Spoke On Behalf Of Civil Rights, President Lyndon Johnson Was The One
Who Got Legislation Passed: “It Took A President To Get It Done.” Clinton
rejoined the running argument over hope and “false hope” in an interview in
Dover this afternoon, reminding Fox’s Major Garrett that while Martin Luther
King Jr. spoke on behalf of civil rights, President Lyndon Johnson was the
one who got the legislation passed. Hillary was asked about Obama’s
rejoinder that there’s something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes
as false, and that it doesn’t jibe with the careers of figures like John F.
Kennedy and King. “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President
Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act,” Clinton said. “It took a president to
get it done.” (Politico, 1/7/08; Video)
Clinton Introducer Said JFK Gave Hope, But Was Assassinated. Clinton
introducer: “If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the
other candidates to JFK and he was a wonderful leader, he gave us a lot of
hope but he was assassinated and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all his
work and got the republicans to pass all those measures.” (HRC, Dover, NH,
1/7/08) AUDIO ATTACHED
Are facts now racist? Or is someone just uncomfortable with those facts?
Fact: MLK was not a mayor, was not a governor, was not a congressman or senator. He was not a President. As great as MLK was, there is no way his dream could have been realized without LBJ, the President of the United States. And MLK knew that, which is why he campaigned for Johnson. I’m sorry if that fact is uncomfortable to some. But it isn’t racist.
And the Obama camp isn’t stupid. They know the meaning of Clinton’s analogy. All the uplifting rhetoric and passionate speeches in the world will not alone move legislation through congress and across a President’s desk.
NELSON MANDELA
Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela. “I
have been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the
last hundred years. … I go to Nelson Mandela’s birthday party every year
and we’re still very close. … But if you said to me, ‘You’ve got one last
job for your country but it’s hazardous and you may not get out with life
and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I’ll let you take one
other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never
blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions … I would
pick Hillary.’” (ABC News, 1/7/08 Audio)
How is it racist to believe one world figure is greater than another? Further, how is it racist for a person - any person - to pick their spouse over Nelson Mandela in a hypothetical life and death situation?
DRUG USE
Clinton’s NH Campaign Chair Raised The Youthful Drug Use Of Obama And Said
It Would “Open The Door To Further Queries On The Matter.” Clinton’s
Campaign Issued A Statement Distancing Themselves From Shaheen’s Comments
And Shaheen Issued A Statement Saying That He “Deeply Regrets The
Comments.” The Democratic presidential race took on a decidedly nasty and
personal turn, with the New Hampshire co-chair for Clinton, raising the
youthful drug use of Obama. Shaheen said Obama’s having been so open — as
opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use
during his 2000 presidential campaign — will “open the door to further
queries on the matter. It’ll be, ‘When was the last time? Did you ever give
drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?’” Shaheen said. “There are so
many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It’s hard to overcome.” By the
end of the day, Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer had issued a
statement asserting that “these comments were not authorized or condoned by
the campaign in any way.” And Shaheen himself issued a statement: “I deeply
regret the comments I made today and they were not authorized by the
campaign in any way.” (ABC News, 12/12/07)
Tell me, is this racist only because Obama is black? No one cried “racism” when Bill Clinton’s drug use was raised as an issue. No one cried “racism” when George W. Bush’s drug use was raised as an issue.
Mark Penn, In Trying To Defend His Campaign Over Bill Shaheen’s Obama Drug
Use Comments, Used The Word “Cocaine,” Drawing A Rebuke From Edwards Adviser
Joe Trippi. Mark Penn, defending the Clinton campaign in light of Bill
Shaheen’s comments about Obama’s drug use, repeatedly referenced Obama’s
cocaine use. Edwards adviser Joe Trippi accused Penn of dropping the word
“cocaine” deliberately. Mark Penn said “Well, I think we have made clear
that the — the issue related to cocaine use is not something that the
campaign was in any way raising. And I think that has been made clear. I
think this kindergarten thing was a joke after Senator.” Joe Trippie
responded and said “I think he just did it again. He just did it again. …
This guy’s been filibustering on this. He just said cocaine again.”
(Politico, 12/13/07; Video)
So using the word “cocaine,” even repeatedly in a discussion about Obama’s admitted cocaine use is racist? It might be dirty politics as usual, but it’s hardly racist.
FAIRY TALE
Donna Brazile Lashed Into Bill Clinton For Comparing Obama To A “Fairy Tale”
And Said “It’s An Insult… As An African-American” And That His Tone And
Words Are “Very Depressing.” Donna Brazile lit into Bill Clinton over his
insulting comments of Obama, where he called him a “fairy tale” and said “I
could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn’t
take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It’s time that they regroup. Figure
out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds
like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that
many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy
tale, calling him as he did last week. It’s an insult. And I will tell you,
as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.
… I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a kid, he is a United
States senator.” (Politico, 1/8/08)
Sorry, Donna, Bill Clinton didn’t call Obama or his campaign a ‘fiary tale.’ He said Obama’s Iraq war narrative in regards to his campaign is a fairy tale. And it is. Someone cannot run a campaign based on an anti-war speech given from a safe Democratic state seat, then go on to remove that speech from his website, become a US Senator, vote for every Iraq war-empowering legislation that comes up (up to the time he announced his presidential bid), state he doesn’t know how he would have voted had he been a US Senator, say his beliefs on the war are close to those of Bush’s, and then claim he has been against the war from the start. That is the very definition of ‘fairy tale.’ And it isn’t racist.
Besides, Obama himself used the term to describe the New Orleans Saints unlikely 2006 season
when they mostly African-American football team came to Chicago for the National Football Conference title game.
Amaya Smith
South Carolina Press Secretary
Obama for America
“If your views are as sound enough to be posted on a public forum, they can surely withstand questioning”
This from a supporter of a candidate who blames any misstep on his staff, who, instead of answering a question, merely changes his view to the opposite, who’d rather leave his beloved church of 20 years than answer why he belonged to it for so long in the first place, etc etc so blah,blah blah mm, so sorry you’re in such pain over being respectful sounds like the same MO your candidate uses. I’m just so above acting like the uneducated masses, I’m just trying so hard to look and sound good but it’s not easy with all of these “bitter, gun toting, Bible Clinging” morons. He’s had one goal all along, eliminate the competition by any means necessary, he did it in Chicago and he did it to steal the nomination. When Gov Wilder of Virginia appeared on Face the Nation back in April I knew as soon as he said this that there would be trouble at the convention if Michigan and Florida were seated where this was going. Then the strongarm tactics of Obama’s people started against anyone thinking of sticking with Clinton(always implying that African Americans would not be happy if the “rules” were broken.) What a pile of manure. And we the people, the 18 millions that voted for Clinton are asked to unify the party. No, Obama’s swimming in lies, made up stories about his past, pandering outright to every group he can(except the inbreds in Kentucky and W Va-he’s too good for them). McCain all the way now because if there would even be the remotest possibility of him winning by just staying home I won’t do it.
Start riffing on something I did not say. I said Clinton wasn’t racist, but you chose to ignore that. Her LBJ comment was not racist, it dismissed the accomplishments of the grassroots work of MLK in order to dismiss Obama’s grassroots work experience. The Clintons gave no thought to how the AA voters would feel about having their movement diminished. This was right around MLK’s birthday, so it showed disrespect of their hero. It wasn’t racism, it was an unnecessary and disrespectful comment that pissed off voters who were going to vote for her. It gave them a reason to look to Obama who won Iowa. In combination with the statement comparing Obama and Jesse Jackson that had the effect of appealing to racism, it was no surprise the South Carolina went to Obama. They made comments without caring how a constituency would take it and then got all shocked when they looked elsewhere.
2002 speaking out against the war was difficult especially for someone who hoped to have a future in politics. Oh, so easily we forget.
It is interesting that this site never talks about really important issues and how to solve them. Do you care about global warming? Do you care about energy policy? Education? Infrastructure? Do you care about the war? Do you care about solutions?
How is this website’s goal going to benefit our children? How are you going to make a positive difference in the world? Do you really angry enough to punish the next generation?
HRC’s MLK statement was a promise to work hard for Civi Rights issues like LBJ.
It took a deliberately slanted, issued to the media “race memo” from BHO to twist it into something ugly.
The comparison to Jesse Jackson didn’t offend Jackson.
It, too, had to be purposefully twisted.
Jesse Jackson’s candidacy laid the groundwork for BHO’s “historic” run.
Jackson’s delegate aportionment changes greatly benefitted the Obama campaign.
Bill Clinton was answering a reporter’s question and the point he made had already been mentioned in the press along with the repeated assertion that Obama should do well in SC because of the large AA population.
A voting bloc that had dependably supported other black politicians in the past.
Why in the world would a comparison to Jackson’s history making presidential run be considered offensive, especially to someone who remembers it and contributed to it?
It was the deliberate mis-manipulation of this and other comments that make me never want to vote for him.
Don’t you care about the truth?
Marin in post 87- “The talk I heard broke my heart and made me feel that our country will never ever evolve with such hatred. ”
The Clinton campaign never said young people, new voters, black people, educated people, and caucus states do not matter! Clinton, along with every news outlet and Gallup poll all maintained the fact that Clinton had a swing state advantage over obama who won in mostly Republican states that he’d lose in the GE anyhow. What sort of hatred could you possibly be referring to in your post? It’s just bizarre…or typical obama style race-baiting!
In your post 93- “Until the Clintons made the comments they did they had South Carolina in the bag. It was their election to lose and they did.”
Donna Brazile, Obama’s campaign, James Clyburn, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton all claimed the Clinton’s were racists and made racist comments in South Carolina. They lost the election and their black support because the key race baiters mentioned understood that all they had to do was yell “racist” and it would have the same effect as yelling fire in a crowded theater.
I would encourage you to keep up the race-baiting for Barry. He needs all the help he can get! He’s got no political or activist record to speak of which is why only 17% of the state of Illinois claimed to have heard of him before he announced his candidacy. That number is probably lower if you consider the percentage of people who claimed to have heard of him only because they were afraid of sounding ignorant. Most Chicago activists didn’t like him nor did many state politicians. Barry obama abused the African Americans in Chicago in the worst way. He used them and stole from them for his own political gain. Barry’s a crook and he won’t be President of the 57 United States.
I agree and will vote, as well for McCain.
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I hope all you Dems who are now McCain supporters know he plans to send more troops to Iraq and Afghanistan and there is also the good possiblity McCain will take us to war with IRAN.
If you have been reading what all the people at the Pentagon are saying, the U.S. military is stretched to the breaking point.
So where are all the NEW troops going to come from to help fight McCain’s wars?
If you don’t know by now there will be a military draft then you are living in a cave.
And all the experts on military matters are saying there will be NO deferments for college so if your little Mary or Johnny are military age you better be ready to see them drafted and shipped off to Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran.
These are not scare tactics. They are the TRUTH and everyone at the Pentagon is saying the same thing.
An Open Letter to Certain White Women Who Are Threatening to Withhold Support from Obama in November
Your Whiteness is Showing
By TIM WISE
This is an open letter to those white women who, despite their proclamations of progressivism, and supposedly because of their commitment to feminism, are threatening to withhold support from Barack Obama in November. You know who you are.
I know that it’s probably a bad time for this. Your disappointment at the electoral defeat of Senator Hillary Clinton is fresh, the sting is new, and the anger that animates many of you–who rightly point out that the media was often sexist in its treatment of the Senator–is raw, pure and justified.
That said, and despite the awkward timing, I need to ask you a few questions, and I hope you will take them in the spirit of solidarity with which they are genuinely intended. But before the questions, a statement if you don’t mind, or indeed, even if (as I suspect), you will mind it quite a bit.
First, for those of you threatening to actually vote for John McCain and to oppose Senator Obama, or to stay home in November and thereby increase the likelihood of McCain winning and Obama losing (despite the fact that the latter’s policy platform is virtually identical to Clinton’s while the former’s clearly is not), all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
For those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and increase the odds of his winning (despite the fact that he once called his wife the c-word in public and is a staunch opponent of reproductive freedom and gender equity initiatives, such as comparable worth legislation), all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
For those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and help ensure Barack Obama’s defeat, as a way to protest what you call Obama’s sexism (examples of which you seem to have difficulty coming up with), all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
Your whiteness is showing.
When I say your whiteness is showing this is what I mean: You claim that your opposition to Obama is an act of gender solidarity, in that women (and their male allies) need to stand up for women in the face of the sexist mistreatment of Clinton by the press. On this latter point–the one about the importance of standing up to the media for its often venal misogyny–you couldn’t be more correct. As the father of two young girls who will have to contend with the poison of patriarchy all their lives, or at least until such time as that system of oppression is eradicated, I will be the first to join the boycott of, or demonstration on, whatever media outlet you choose to make that point. But on the first part of the above equation–the part where you insist voting against Obama is about gender solidarity–you are, for lack of a better way to put it, completely full of crap. And what’s worse is that at some level I suspect you know it. Voting against Senator Obama is not about gender solidarity. It is an act of white racial bonding, and it is grotesque.
If it were gender solidarity you sought, you would by definition join with your black and brown sisters come November, and do what you know good and well they are going to do, in overwhelming numbers, which is vote for Barack Obama. But no. You are threatening to vote not like other women–you know, the ones who aren’t white like you and most of your friends–but rather, like white men! Needless to say it is high irony, bordering on the outright farcical, to believe that electorally bonding with white men, so as to elect McCain, is a rational strategy for promoting feminism and challenging patriarchy. You are not thinking and acting as women, but as white people. So here’s the first question: What the hell is that about?
And you wonder why women of color have, for so long, thought (by and large) that white so-called feminists were phony as hell? Sister please…
Your threats are not about standing up for women. They are only about standing up for the feelings of white women, and more to the point, the aspirations of one white woman. So don’t kid yourself. If you wanted to make a statement about the importance of supporting a woman, you wouldn’t need to vote for John McCain, or stay home, thereby producing the same likely result–a defeat for Obama. You could always have said you were going to go out and vote for Cynthia McKinney. After all, she is a woman, running with the Green Party, and she’s progressive, and she’s a feminist. But that isn’t your threat is it? No. You’re not threatening to vote for the woman, or even the feminist woman. Rather, you are threatening to vote for the white man, and to reject not only the black man who you feel stole Clinton’s birthright, but even the black woman in the race. And I wonder why? Could it be…?
See, I told you your whiteness was showing.
And now for a third question, and this is the biggie, so please take your time with it: How is it that you have managed to hold your nose all these years, just like a lot of us on the left, and vote for Democrats who we knew were horribly inadequate–Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, right on down the uninspiring line–and yet, apparently can’t bring yourself to vote for Barack Obama? A man who, for all of his shortcomings (and there are several, as with all candidates put up by either of the two major corporate parties) is surely more progressive than any of those just mentioned. And how are we to understand that refusal–this sudden line in the proverbial sand–other than as a racist slap at a black man? You will vote for white men year after year after year–and are threatening to vote for another one just to make a point–but can’t bring yourself to vote for a black man, whose political views come much closer to your own, in all likelihood, than do the views of any of the white men you’ve supported before. How, other than as an act of racism, or perhaps as evidence of political insanity, is one to interpret such a thing?
See, black folks would have sucked it up, like they’ve had to do forever, and voted for Clinton had it come down to that. Indeed, they were on board the Hillary train early on, convinced that Obama had no chance to win and hoping for change, any change, from the reactionary agenda that has been so prevalent for so long in this culture. They would have supported the white woman–hell, for many black folks, before Obama showed his mettle they were downright excited to do so–but you won’t support the black man. And yet you have the audacity to insist that it is you who are the most loyal constituency of the Democratic Party, and the one before whom Party leaders should bow down, and whose feet must be kissed?
Your whiteness is showing.
Look, I couldn’t care less about the Party personally. I left the Democrats twenty years ago when they told me that my activism in the Central America solidarity and South African anti-apartheid movements made me a security risk, and that I wouldn’t be able to get clearance to be in some parade with Governor Dukakis. Yeah, seriously. But for you to act as though you are the indispensible voters, the most important, the ones whose views should be pandered to, whose every whim should be the basis for Party policy, is not only absurd, it is also racist in that it, a) ignores and treats as irrelevant the much more loyal constituency of black folks, without whom no Democrat would have won anything in the past twenty years (and indeed the racial gap favoring the Democrats among blacks is about six times larger than the gender gap favoring them among white women, relative to white men); and b) demonstrates the mentality of entitlement and superiority that has been long ingrained in us as white folks–so that we believe we have the right to dictate the terms of political engagement, and to determine the outcome, and to get our way, simply because for so long we have done just that.
But that day is done, whether you like it or not, and you are now left with two, and only two choices, so consider them carefully: the first is to stand now in solidarity with your black brothers and sisters and welcome the new day, and help to push it in a truly progressive and feminist and antiracist direction, while the second is to team up with white men to try and block the new day from dawning. Feel free to choose the latter. But if you do, please don’t insult your own intelligence, or ours, by insisting that you’ve done so as a radical gesture of solidarity.
Here is a NEW web site every “Stop Obama” person should have bookmarked:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
Ok great Adam, thanks…
Bill,
Don’t kill their dream of a video, they were really counting on that “tape.” You know, they heard someone knows someone that saw a tape about something from somewhere with a muslim or something and IT WILL DESTROY OBAMA.
Let’s see the video, can’t wait!
“Your whiteness is showing”
The same old same old, we’re all racist who refuse to vote for BO. Fine, I guess that makes all the African Americans who switched from Clinton to Obama racist also and their “blackness is showing.” This guy comes out of nowhere with the Chicago machine behind him and 300 million–creepy. Then Edwards is out and then Clinton. Then the constant speeches where he’s Lincoln, he’s JFK, he’s RFK. What? If he has the same agenda as Clinton it’s because he lifted it from her and Edwards. This inexperienced record-less, pandering, Marxist radical is an emperor with no clothers. McCain, McKinney,Nader who cares, anybody but him.
Is there a moderator on this blog?? Hello? These obamabots are posting the same comments on every thread. And its not even their own words, its other peoples essays. So they are dominating the threads and controlling the discussion. Basically, creating distractions. Besides they remind me too much of Obama himself, long winded, no substance, stealing others ideas and words.
[…] I already mentioned, voting Obama in the General Election, is as easily done by not voting, or voting third […]
Finally there is a video for everyone who plans to vote for McCain.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/12/why-im-voting-republican/
Is there a moderator on this blog?? Hello? These obamabots are posting the same comments on every thread. And its not even their own words, its other peoples essays. So they are dominating the threads and controlling the discussion. Basically, creating distractions. Besides they remind me too much of Obama himself, long winded, no substance, stealing others ideas and words.
The moderator is the RNC. Just go to their site http://www.gop.com/blog/
I find it funny that you don’t complain about people calling Obama’s wife an “ugly gorrilla” or comparing Obama to Hitler who killed six million jews. You want a place where noone will give you a dissenting opinion on your Obama hatred? Got to the KKK’s site. They’ll love you over there.
Comparing to a gorrilla? We had a whole post on it fool.
As for Hitler? No one is talking about war and genocides, we are comparing the totalitarian nature of Obama worship and support to the totalitarian frenzy backing Hitler to power.
You can set up all the straw-men arguments you like- as long as you keep your mouth in the trough.
Adam, one more time, this site is called Stop Obama…it’s not called the, I’m thinking of not voting for Obama so please convince me or threaten or bully me to drink the kool-aid and suddenly think Obama is qualifed for president blog! That would be too long, Stop Obama says it all. Straw man arguments are all they have Jamal. If you don’t vote for Obama = racist….no other possible reasons?? PLEEZ. Grow up Adam.
When Hillary joins Obama next week on the campaign trail will that in anyway change the thinking of so many of you who claim you are going to vote for McCain instead of Obama?
Is that what Hillary would want you to do?
No Bill, that won’t change my opinion. I have supported Hillary to be our next president, not dictator. I respect her for what she feels she must do to support him. I know I will not vote for Obama, no one will ever really know who Hillary votes for, will they?
imustprotest: Are you seriously saying you think Hillary would vote for McCain?
Now I’ve heard everything.
Hillary, to her credit is a true DEMOCRAT, and even though she lost out to Barack Obama in the race for the White House, she will support the Democratic candidate for President and that just happens to be Barack Obama.
Too bad many of the Hillary supporters aren’t as loyal to the Democratic party as Hillary is.
As I said Bill, no one will ever know who she pulls the lever for….the GE is not a caucus. (thank god!) Country before party Bill. I know that the obama camp is expecting everyone to fall in line but I’m afraid they’re in for a little surprise in NOvember.
imustprotest: I suppose you could say the same thing about Nancy Reagan. She has already sent out signals about how much she likes Obama.
Speaking of country before party, I hope you watch Fox News so you will know what the Bush/McCain White House are planning. Fox News gets their marching orders from the Bush White House (Roger Ailes president of Fox worked for Reagan and Bush 41), and today they devoted one segment of the Chris Wallace Fox News Sunday show to the possibility of going to war with Iran.
They talked about how Israel has flown several training missions of 900 miles (same distance from Israel to Iran’s nuke sites) and how the U.S. would have to help Israel out if they go to war with Iran.
Obviously this is what the Bush/McCain White House wanted Fox News to talk about today and they did just that.
So the question becomes how the hell are we going to fight what eventually would be a ground war with IRAN when everyone in the Pentagon says the military is stretched to the limits?
Also, we are now losing more Americans in Afghanistan (12 this past week) than in Iraq because the Taliban has regrouped.
So here is the bottom line: McCain will go along with a war with IRAN and that means we most certainly will have to have a military draft which excludes nobody. A person can’t use the six deferments Cheney used during the Vietnam War by enrolling in college.
This is not a scare tactic, but just simple facts based on what the Pentagon is saying.
The plans to go to war with IRAN are already in the works. Read this: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/88786/?ses=a93c7677e56a50e84d63a719da11f65c
and then prepare any of your military age children or grandchildren for a stint in the Armed Forces of the United States of America if McCain is elected President.
Bill, let’s take your hypothetical..IF there is a war between Iran and Israel….why would like feel more comfortable with Obama-empty suit-no nothing?? Yes, it is because of the fragile state of the world that I would prefer McCain as Commander-in-Chief. Country before party. P.S. shout out to Nancy Regan regarding voting for Obama….Just Say NO deal!
imustprotest: you’re missing the whole point. Obama will not take us to war with Iran because Israel decides to bomb Iran. That is Israel’s problem not ours. McCain, on the other hand, has said he would provide U.S. military assistance to Israel if they go to war with Iran.
Bill, I decided to go right to your hypothetical w/o mentioning your leap of logic in the first post. You go from Israel flying training missions of 900 miles to …they’re at war with Iran! Then in your last post you state, “Obama will not take us to war with Iran because Israel decides to bomb Iran.” huh? So Israel is just going to decide to bomb Iran? Oh, and finally you say, “That is Israel’s problem not ours.” again, huh?? Sorry, I’m really confused here. Are you saying that its aokay with you for Iran to have nuclear weapons? And are you further saying that Israel, our ally, is all on their own with Iran in the event of a nuclear threat?
imustprotest: where is it written that ONLY the U.S. and Israel are allowed to have nukes? Is it because the U.S. is NOT an aggressor nation? Well, we blew that theory by invading and occuping a soveriegn nation, Iraq.
But back to the more important issue. I seved my country. Did you? And are you ready to have your children or grandchildren join the military if McCain takes us to war with IRAN?
That, after all, is what this election is ALL about.
Bill, I appreciate and honor your service to our country and no, of course I am not in favor of any war. I am concerned about a country such as Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. Aggressive diplomacy, perhaps sanctions will be required but will need to be done in a position of strength. Training exercises do not lead to inevitable war, but more of a psychological war in an effort to show strength and resolve.
imustprotrest:
Here are just a few nations besides Iran that HAVE or in the process of developing nuclear weapons:
Pakistan,
India,
North Korea,
China,
Russia,
Syria
Are you suggesting we use military power on these nations too?
Why ONLY Iran when they are the one nation that has yet to develop a nuclear bomb.
I hope you are not basing your theory on FOX NEWS. They are in the tank for the Bush administraton.
Iran is not like the countries you have detailed. Is it good news that those countries have nuclear wepons or want to have them? No, of course not, but Iran respresents a destablizing element in the world. Iran has not earned a place as a respected nuclear partner…it is an aggressive rogue state. And by the way, I’m not suggesting we use miltary power on Iran, but rather, a diplomatic approach from a position of strength.
imustprotest: Hello! You wrote: And by the way, I’m not suggesting we use miltary power on Iran, but rather, a diplomatic approach from a position of strength.
And that is EXACTLY what Obama is suggesting despite the spin by Fox News and right wing spin machine. Obama has already said there would have to be pre existing condtions.
Never, never, never trust what you hear on Fox News. They are the propaganda branch of the Bush White House and they are only following Bush White House “talking points.”
McCain, on the other hand, doesn’t want any diplomatic relations with Iran. It sounds to me like all McCain wants to do is bomb Iran and he hasn’t given an ounce of thought to what we do after we bomb them.
We don’t have the troops to invade Iran so a ground operation is off the table unless they start up a military draft with NO exceptions.
Any American of military age would be conscripted just like we WWII, Korea and Vietnam, but this time none of that BS about going to college to avoid the draft.
Everyone goes.
I was drafted in ‘51 and my Combat Engineer Company suffered 80 percent casualties in Korea.
This is an experience EVERY red-blooded American should want to do for our country.
I know more about ground warfare than probably anyone who posts on this site and I can speak from experience about what it takes to fight a war.
You can’t do it with air power alone.
Sooner or later you have to put boots on the ground and right now we don’t have any boots to put on the ground in Iran.
So what is McCain going to do? He doesn’t want to talk with the Iranians and he has boxed himself into a corner where war with Iran is the only option he has left.
Does McCain know most of the troops in Iraq are on their fourth and fifth tours to Iraq? That means we don’t have any reserves.
Even the National Guard from various states is stretched to the breaking point.
Perhaps people should read my blog http://corksphere.blogspot.com to find the REAL truth about what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan and stop believeing mutts who are sitting in the Fox studios in NYC reporting on Iraq.
Yesterday Brit Hume reported how well things were going in Mosul, Iraq. I immediately sent him a post from my blog listing at least six incidents of violence that took place yesterday ALONE in Mosul.
How the hell can someone like Brit Hume lie to the American public like he does?
He can’t lie to me because I’m a veteran and I also have a blog that is read by hundreds if not thousands of military families because they tell me they know the press, especially FOX NEWS, is lyign to them.
Bill, just so you know, I don’t watch FOX news. That being said, John McCain is not planning on attacking Iran. Also, he did not say he was against diplomatic talks with Iran but rather unconditional talks, again we need to approach these countries from a position of strength. He also never said he was in favor of a 100 year war…both of these statements were distortions from the Obama camp (hope and change anyone??) Iran needs to understand and believe that we will not allow them to continue to excercise controlled chaos, destablizing the area and threatening our ally Israel. Obama would be perceived as weak and would be immediately tested by these aggressive powers. Obama, having to prove this test, would most likely overreact, esp. given his…shall we say…limited experience and knowledge of foreign affairs. Do you want Americans anywhere near these countries so vulnerable in an Obama administration? Not me.
Also, I appreciate your first hand experience with war, that is why I also prefer McCain to Obama, McCain knows war…not from and office in DC but as a fighter pilot and a POW. I believe, and obviously you disagree that McCain has the knowledge, judgement and leadership at this critical time that Obama does not.
imustprotest: I thought this site was supposed to be for Democrats who were opposed to Obama, but the more I look at your comments and those of others I realize this site is a front for the RNC or GOP.
It is silly to try to convert a Republican into thinking Obama would be a good President so it is time for me to post more up to the minute information from Iraq and Afghanistan on my blog http://corksphere.blogspot.com and leave this site to the Republicans like yourself.
Bye bye.
Sorry you’re leaving Bill, but you are wrong. I am not a repub, I’ve voted Democrat all my life. This is a site to stop obama, hence the name….I have no idea who the other people are or their party affiliation and I don’t really care because our goal is the same. I am putting country before party this election year. The long protracted argument between us about McCain was started by you because you were attacking my choice over the selectee of the dem. party. My choice was Hillary but the DNC had other plans. I am just thankful the RNC chose a candidate who actually had the experience and qualifications (imagine that) to be commander in chief. Do I agree with McCain on all issues, of course not. But I won’t allow you or anyone else to try to scare me into voting for Obama by saying McCain will take us to war and draft my children. At least you didn’t use the race card Bill and I appreciate that. You are a patriot Bill, that is clear, but so am I. The DNC did not run a democratic nomination process. They have selected for us an inexperienced, unqualified candidate with questionable judgement. Throughout the season and now post season they have attempted to squash freedom of speech in the name of unity. Bill I’m surprised that you of all people who not be bothered by that.
Imustporotest: Before they shut this site down as they have written on the homepage, there is something that troubles me about all the Democrats who will not vote for Obama but will vote for McCain. In all the local elections you have probably voted in for Mayor, Alderman, etc, if your candidate doesn’t win the primary, do you suddenly jump over and support the Republican? Most TRUE DEMOCRATS continue to support their party even though their candidate didn’t win the primary. It makes no sense at all, as Hillary herself said, for someone to jump over and vote for McCain if they are a Democrat.
As Hillary said, Democrats support the candidate that won the primary and that candidate for the Democrat is Barack Obama.
So are you telling me you are going to vote for McCain who is opposed to EVERYTHING Democrats stand for just because you don’t feel Obama has the qualifications?
Both Reagan and Bush 43 came to the WH with less Washington experience than Obama
So what is the REAL problem you have with Obama that would make you jump ship and vote for a Republican that is against everything the Democratic Party stands for?
I have never heard of a single Democrat who voted for a Republican because his or her Democratic candidae didn’t win in a primary race in a local election or even for U.S. Senator or Congressman in their state.
I’ve heard all the excuses people are making for switching to McCain and upon closer examination they don’t hold water.
Waiting for your response before they shutdown this site.
imustprotest wrote:
“My choice was Hillary but the DNC had other plans. I am just thankful the RNC chose a candidate who actually had the experience and qualifications (imagine that) to be commander in chief. Do I agree with McCain on all issues, of course not. But I won’t allow you or anyone else to try to scare me into voting for Obama by saying McCain will take us to war and draft my children.”
I am in total agreement. In addition, I would prefer a candidate who did not have as a mentor and “spiritual advisor” a minister who preached “God Damn America”. I would prefer not to have as President someone who sat in that church for 20+ years and didn’t decided to “disown” the minister and the church, until the poll numbers started gong down. WAIT!! Didn’t he say he would never disown Rev. Wright and his church anymore than he would disown his White grandmother??? Did I just imagine this?
Bill it makes me sad that you of all people, a soldier, doesn’t have a sense of investigatory responsibility when it comes to a presidential election.
ijane: Here is all the investigation I need to know:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×6303258
Bill, as I’ve said, I respect your service to our country. What I don’t understand why you will not respect what I say. You say that I must be a Republican, despite my declarations to the contrary. Now you challenge my reasoning again by stating that:
I have never heard of a single Democrat who voted for a Republican because his or her Democratic candidae didn’t win in a primary race in a local election or even for U.S. Senator or Congressman in their state.
Well Bill I guess you have now….me along with millions of other PUMAS.
You say:
I’ve heard all the excuses people are making for switching to McCain and upon closer examination they don’t hold water.
So what could I ever say to you to convince you since you believe you have heard all the excuses and you don’t buy them?
You’re right about one thing, this election year is unpresidented. The fact that millions of loyal, life long Democrats are NOT jumping on the unity bus should tell you something. By the way, we’re not jumping ship for McCain because “our candidate didn’t win the primary race.” You know the reason because you state it earlier in your comment that we aren’t voting for Obama because he lacks experience! Then you brush that argument off with a statement that Reagan and Bush took office w/o Washington exp…..Bill, I didn’t vote for Reagan or Bush, any Bush, I’m a Democrat! And by the way, how did that work out for us anyway, having a no-nothing Bush as POTUS and Commander in Chief? Finally Bill, one more thing I have to address, which is the real question hidden beneath your question:
So what is the REAL problem you have with Obama that would make you jump ship and vote for a Republican that is against everything the Democratic Party stands for?
Since you negatate all of my REAL responses, seems like Bill you’re implying……yes, I think you’ve finally pulled out, ever so gently…the race card. I had to happen.
opps, sorry I should have proofed before posting..not negatate, negate.
imustprotest:
Since you brought it up, after everything else is examined there can be only ONE reason why you and the other so-called Democrats won’t vote for Obama and will vote for McCain.
It is as YOU SAD the “the race card.”
What else could it be?
I posted above Obama’s accomplishments in both the Illinois and U.S. Senate so forget saying he isn’t qualified
Here it is again: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×6303258
What is wrong with this resume?
Bill:
Bill Corcoranon 30 Jun 2008 at 6:44 pm 146imustprotest:
Since you brought it up, after everything else is examined there can be only ONE reason why you and the other so-called Democrats won’t vote for Obama and will vote for McCain.
It is as YOU SAD the “the race card.”
What else could it be?
Well Bill, as I’ve said (and others have told you the same thing), how about, qualifications (and I’m not talking about a few bills that his name got tacked on to help beef up his really thin record), his associations with terrorists, slumlords, radical clerics. How about how he used his Chicago thugs to cheat, intimidate and rig caucuses around the country. How about how he blocked the revotes in MI and FL because he new if the 2.5 million people were allowed to revote, he’d lose, again, big time. How about the fact that hes an arrogant, sexist, empty suit. Bill you go ahead and call me a racist, I can’t stop you because that’s what you really believed in the first place. Its the card you are left to play. But Bill, just like the threats of Roe v Wade, the war threats and scare tactics, this won’t work either. The race card has been played so much these past several months people are becoming desensitized to it. I mean they called Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton racists, I guess I’m in good company. And Bill, if I had to choose company, I’d rather be with the Clintons than the thugs that hang out with Obama.
“Since everything else is examined”
What? Yeah, it’s examined all right, “Obama will make a speech about patriotism, about race, about Wright”That’s how all of the questions end up being “examined.” What totla bs just like the man-racist, racist, racist keep saying it that’s bs too, he and Wright are the racist ones.
My reasons for NOT towing the line and voting for the selected Democratic nominee, are those reason which Larry Pinkney of the BlackCommentator so eloquently wrote many months ago:
And then, like a lightning bolt, the thought struck me that some in this nation are actually seriously considering the candidacy of Barack Obama to be President of the United States and concomitantly Commander-In-Chief of its potent Armed Forces.
This is a man who has enjoyed the fruits of America at the blood and expense of Black Americans and others, but who has paid virtually no dues.
This is a man whose father had also enjoyed the fruits of university schooling in America but subsequently returned to his native Kenya.
This is a man, who also like his father before him, neither served in a branch of the US military nor in any organization in America opposed to US military adventurism.
This is a man who as a deeply corporate military industrial complex US Presidential candidate, has called for “unilateral” US military actions in other nations. [And why not? After-all, his father, himself, or his wife and children were not and will not be the ones killing and being killed.]
This is a man who, in Chicago, pretended to support the human rights of the Palestinian people but who is now known to be a huge supporter of the apartheid Zionists and their powerful and insidious political lobby in America.
This is a man who dares opportunistically to feign admiration for the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., but does not share the collective memory, pain and deep concerns of Black America, other people of color, or even of numerous white Americans for that matter - in the ongoing struggle for equality and justice in this nation.
This is a man who has de facto contempt for the past supreme sacrifices made by thousands of activists from so-called “militant” organizations such the Organization of Afro-American Unity (OAAU), the Student National Coordinating Committee (SNCC), the Black Panther Party (BPP), Students For A Democratic Society (SDS), the American Indian Movement (AIM), the Revolutionary Action Movement (RAM), etc.
This is a man who is silent about the need for reparations for Black American descendants of slaves and the genocide of the indigenous so-called “Indian” peoples on this continent. He is the consummate opportunist who, in reality, cares nothing about the horrors inflicted upon Black, Brown, and Red peoples in this nation, and has repeatedly signaled that he plans to inflict even more “unilateral” military horrors upon various nations and peoples of the world.
This man, Barack Obama, is but a more articulate, younger, and shinier version of the current and infamous US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, adorning himself dangerously and abundantly in superficiality and double-speak.
Barb: “shinier version?” Could you be a little more explicit?
Barb: If I were you I wouldn’t bother answering Bill. Bill is completely closed minded. He has his narrative, and he will look for phrases out of context, parce out individual words to try to relieve the cognitive dissonance that goes on in his own head. True bigots, no matter what their prejudice, have that particular mindset.
barb and imustprotest. Take a look at this site put up by Democrats (I know one of them) who hate Obama. If you can’t see the racist leanings of this site with the pictures they use of Obama you would have to be BLIND.
They claim to have 40,000 “hits” in just three or four weeks and they have over a thouands people who have pledged their support for McCain.
These people were all DEMOCRATS and they can look at this site http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/index.html and not see anything RACIST about it.
Amazing. Absolutely amazing.
Thanks for mentioning http://www.democrats-against-obama.org. Really great site. Not able to find anything racist at all. Found the new link for Uppity Woman. Great articles. Links to No Quarter and Stop-Obama are posted along with the excellent Rezko Watch, which also has been renamed. For an update on the latest Obama lies, I visited the Obama File. Savage Politics is also listed. Signed up to have several sites e-mailed. I would also like to suggest Andy Martin’s site. He has done an excellent article on the Ayers-Obama connection which has been neglected by the MSM. See: http://www.contrariancommentary.blogspot.com
Barb! Yes, I wanted to thank Bill too. I also went to that site, nothing racist either to report but plenty of useful links! Glad I stopped back in here. I’ll check out the Andy Martin site you recommended! Thanks! And thanks again Bill!
I like Andy Martin.
barb and imustprotest:
You don’t find the “doctored” up pictures of Obama as racist on http://www.democrats-against-obama.org. ?
Why didn’t they just “portray” Obama as “Little Black Sambo?”
NOW I really know what both of you are.
To Marin Mavin who says we never talk about the issues here…
Obama is for privatizing education and teacher’s merit pay.
Obama has sold us out on coal.
He sold us out on FISA
He now says he is open to SS.
He is now equivocating on when and how we will get out of Iraq.
He said he was against the war and then he was for the war and would do just what George Bush is doing and then when it became unpopular, he was against it again…but he always voted to fund those contractors in Iraq.
McCain has offered a reward if someone can come up with a car that doesn’t use gas. I think there are some close to doing just that. He is into conservation. Obama as always, mouths it but never talks about what he will actually do.
In fact, Obama’s own campaign advised their people not to talk about issues but to steer them toward HOPE and CHANGE. I know someone who trained to work for Obama and I asked them about something and they said they didn’t know. They said they were instructed to get people to talk about hope and change…tell them to go look at Obama’s website…they probably won’t. But just draw them in with hope/change/change/hope rhetoric without substance.
There are many other issues that Obama has equivocated on…guns, the death penalty, his insurance plan will not cover all Americans, he is going even further to the right than bush on breaking down the walls between church and state. He is giving political speeches in churches.
I figure he wanted the FISA bill to stay so he could spy on his enemies and Hillary and all of Hillary’s friends.
When we talk about the issues, we are called racist or GOP.
So let’s talk about the issues. What do you think about how far right Obama is…lying about absolutely everything, with not much of a record to know where he will really stand.
We saw him with FISA recently. Not only did he LIE LIE LIE about filibustering, but he used couture in order to shut up Dodd who was trying to just talk about it. So not only did he not join the filibuster like he promised, but he shut up the true democrats who were trying to do the right thing.
I do not want a half-wit running the country with a congress that didn’t even stand up to him with FISA. I can see it now — Democratic Congress votes with their President. I feel safer with McCain who at least listens to us and a democratic congress who will be more likely to stand up to him.
If you want to talk issues, that’s fine with me — we’ve been trying to get people to talk about issues for months now but they saw the gleam in Obama’s eye and just trusted him and they would say - hope / change / as they went into weird trances looking like zombies. For months we have been told not to talk about issues. If we do, we are called racists or GOP. It gets old.