Jun 09 2008
A Vote for Obama is a Vote for Clinton.
It remains to be seen, where Clinton will go. Contrary to her previous gripes about Hussein0, she can be bought off with the simples of Democratic ploys- convince her, and her voters, that a vote for It, is a vote for her! That a vote for Me-smell and Borak, is not a vote for PiranhaHO and BO-Barry-0, but for the Party of Roosevelt and William Jefferson “Clinton”.
This “clever” strategy - will promise Hillary de facto ideological leadership of the Party, under a de jure Hussein0 tutelage. Such leadership includes and presumes the following fantasies -
a) a massive Democratic majority in Congress,
b) H. Clinton seniority and a more prominent role in the Senate - to fill Ted Kennedy’s worn shoes.
c) H. Clinton chairmanship of a bipartisan commission on HealthCare,
d) Turd0 and the entire party, will adopt most of H. Clinton’s policy platforms, as their own.
Here is how the stream will meander. The Zer0 slowly adapts nearly all of Clinton’s election rhetoric, both to woo her supporters, and to finally install substance on its “Change” platform. Axelrod- and Hussein0 will do this for both reasons of hitting at Republicans, and because they are clueless on policy. In this context, they will only all too gladly oblige a Democratic party with word for word plagiarism from - with or without her approval.
Of course, since a Turd0 victory hinges on winning over Clinton supporters, the Hussein0 will look for Clinton not only to give them approval in appropriating her language, but will seek active input and participation from her, in shaping and promulgating this language.
Basically, the party is planning on taking Clinton’s political vision, and selling it under the “Obama” brand - to consolidate its Democratic base, and broaden it to the young and inactive (perennially laggard Black vote). If this electoral strategy succeeds, the Party is guaranteed a serious majority in the legislative. Appointing Clinton as the de-facto Senate first (or second) in command, assures that her vision -now the official Democratic platform- passes both Congress and the White House to affect political change on par with that affected by the. Johnson administrations.
This is a seductive promise, which is likely to buy Senator Clinton off from exercising her indisputable veto over the outcome of the General Election. Indeed it is so seductive a proposal, that it will buy off many anti-Obama Clinton supporters, into eventually voting for Obama under the pretext of Voting for the Democratic Party, and its “sacredly progressive” Platform.
Here’s the catch. In 1976, when Carter took office, he enjoyed a vast Democratic majority in both the Senate and Congress. Can anyone reader, irrespective of his or her party orientation, name one significant legislative achievement, of the 95th and 96th congresses of the Carter presidency? We’re not doing Jeopardy or Want to be A Millionare here- you can use Google and encyclopedias.
Good Luck.
Carter was a lame duck president. His views were so conceited and extreme and unpopular, that loyal Kennedy fanatics, would not deign him with either their company or presence. The Governor of Georgia, a southern Democrat, allowed Khomeini to unashamedly seize power in Iran, while forcing the ailing Shah - our staunchest ally in the Middle East- to wander homeless from city to city in search of sanctuary.
Carter can also claim to have orchestrated, with the help of Zbigniew Brzezinsky (Zer0’s anti-Semitic foreign policy adviser) our covert effort to Afghanistan’s Taliban and radical Islamist forces, not to mention Osama Bin Laden and the Saudi’s. Carter/Brzezinsky allowed extremist Islamist forces not only wage a Holy War (a “Jihad”) against the Soviet intervention on behalf of a secular left-wing government in Kabul, but in fact, as Brzezinsky now admits, to fund and finance these extremists in the first place, long before the USSR had set it sights on the barbarous and chauvinist country. Through murder and massacre of anti-Islamist progressive secular forces , these Muslim extremists – let out of prisons all over the Middle-East -with the express approval of the Carter administration (think about that one)- did exactly what Brezinsky dreamed – but secretly feared would not happen- had intended them to do. They managed to drag the Soviet Union into a Vietnam like quagmire, because the Soviet had no idea of the degree these murderers were enjoying Carter’s patronage. The cost of supporting these Islamic Holy Warrirors, against the forces of progress and secularization, will forever remain with us– this was the start of Al Qaida, an Islamic movement whose legitimacy – its unabashed hatred of secularism, westernism, and its reliance on violence and Jihad– came straight from Carter’s National Security Advisor.
While we may despise the USSR as a totalitarian society, at the time of the Afghanistan war it was more liberal than today’s China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Relying on xenophobes and fanatics to destroy Afghanistan’s chance of social progress, has brought us to where we are now – back into Tora Bora, following on the footsteps of Carter’s legitimization of unrestrained Islamic cockiness.
Same goes for Africa, where Carter ruined all our previous work. He first yanked American support for UNITA and then allowed Cubans to overrun the West Coast with a militant anti-Western ideology.
In South America, Carter screwed our traditional allies, openly supporting the Sandinistas – until they overran El Salvador, Guetamala, and Nicaragua with the help of Cuban backing- setting up America for a decade of futile intervention in the region.
Just as Carter extended support for Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini’s rabidly anti-western Islamist Iran - so he lobbied on behalf Africa’s most vile dictator and the world’s foremost Racist at present – (he lobbied against his exclusion from international summits) - Robert Mugabe. There is not one aspect of this country’s international relations, Carter did not mess up, fuck up, or placed in serious jeopardy.
While the Carter years, by any measure, were the worst for the national security of the United States in modern history, they were even worst for the domestic economy. Ignorant or entirely unaware of the importance of fiscal and monetary policy, the Georgian allowed inflation to run into double digits, interest rates to skyrocket, and income to stagnate or dissipate.
In the Congress, Carter cannibalized his own party. His idealism having no practical bounds, he wilted down a 61 Democratic Senate majority, by issuing hit-lists against his own party. This stimulated Democratic opposition to his consumer protection and tax bills, to the point that they were reduced to meaningless bureaucratic gibberish when passed into law.
As if to amend for all his failures, Carter became famous for appointing more “minorities” to political positions than any previous President, and to be the first head-of-our-state to discuss homosexuality. One hopes these appointments and discussions weren’t too “affirmative action” oriented as they are vulnerable to some significant “guilt by association.” With Carter’s propensity to fail on every political front some rabid racist could easily use his “Victim” bend to explain why Carter embodied incompetence to hereto unseen degrees.
No, take that back, not just “rabid racist”- even a “minority” such as myself, is prone to imagining, that part of the reason Carter is the a Looser Incarnate, is that that he put professionalism, knowledge, and competence second, and his ignorant idealism and self-delusional assertions of morally superior judgment, first and foremost.
Obama, no doubt, will be a Carter redux, to the nth power. While this will please the “Victims” in the Party, and their “Guilty” or “Gloating” accomplices, it will do more than just harm to our country.
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There is a lesson to be taken from Carter. Try as the Democratic imbecile big-wigs may to plow their PR and marketing mettle into convincing Clinton supporters that a vote for Obama will amount to a vote for Clinton, just as the these assholes were complicit in nearly every pre-war Bush position on Iraq (both officially, and through the “liberal” media which galloped in Fox’s stead), so they naively and stupidly presume that they can graft Hussein0’s panache on Clinton’s rotting corpse (hey, if she doesn’t want resurrection, don’t look for us for Aquae Vivae) and get us to cheer.
This is as politically sophomoric and moronic, as blaming Bush and the White House, on getting us into Iraq - while washing our hands clean of any responsibility. Democratic debility will fail in the same miserable manner with “this one” as with the “other one.”
Sure, Hussein0 will be more than trigger-happy to adopt Clinton’s policies as his own, and he will have absolutely no problem proclaiming this openly, and not the slightest pang of “conscience” about considering it proof of his solid moral fiber. In fact, he will advertise it as a “generous” and noble act of “leadership” - filling his empty political brain with his vanquished foes spirit – good thinking, awesome judgment –dude.
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Clinton supporters should not justify our McCain vote as a simple vendetta against what “Obama ostensibly did to us”. This will open us up to voting for Obama, as swiftly as we condoned the notion that Saddam Hussein indeed allied with Al Qaeda to execute 911.
Our vote against this particular Hussein, isn’t a “victim” vote by those who got beaten over the head by a totalitarian media - no matter how real or accurate such a scenario may be. No, the pro-McCain X-Clinton (not yet, but maybe?) Democratic vote, is first and foremost driven by the understanding, that it is not conceivable nor possible, to divorce the woman from her substance. That a brainless idiot, liar, cheater, thug and thief, cannot just take the honorable ambitions of an honest, hard-working, genius and hero, and neither make them his own, nor affect any national reform on their basis.
Either the Democratic party fails to understand how America’s government works, or it is playing games beyond my limited comprehension. If the idea of a Zer0 victory, is to affect not the victory of Zer0 the man, but that of Democrats the Party, then Dean, Pelosi, and Clinton, are making a series of dangerous High School oversights.
According to the Constitution of the United States, Executive authority over the government is vested, on behalf of the American electorate, in the hands of a single person (which Obama has been since the 18th Amendment of 1865).
“Executive authority” are not just words, or phraseology, but a massive apparatus of myriad agencies, and ministries making up the Federal Government’s Executive Branch. Replacing the single person responsible for their control, with a muppet worn by the hands of Senior Party leaders in the Senate and House, is neither legal and Constitutional, nor practically possible.
The executive role is an institution all of its own. Its enormous size requires responsibility and capacity, not found in common denizens – of which Hussein, is a bellow average representative. The logistics of transferring or outsourcing this awesome responsibility and expected cranial capacity - to a few puppeteers outside the White House, are insurmountable. Manipulating and controlling a Presidential “figurehead” from Pennsylvania Avenue, belongs in the field of ZOG and Alex Jones.
In fact, what can be ordained politically by the executive of the legislative, is rarely, very rarely, done in reverse. Attempts to do command the President, from the Legislature, end in the Carter variation of US governace. Stalemates, locked horns, and quagmires.
Such sober details, have a few nasty implications for the wishful unthinking of the Democratic attempt to convince anyone that Hussein0 is but a figurehead for Clinton’s- and the Democratic Party’s- ideas; that a Vote for Hussein0, is a vote for Clinton or a “progressive” Democratic Party platform. Fancy as our party’s traitors may their Rapid Eye Movement sleep- it will at best end in wet-dreams.
As dumb and clueless as Hussein0 may be, his drive for power is pre-natal. His victimhood identity, based on a solid rejection of “Western” culture (because of its association with “Whiteness”) and his life-long philandering with political perspectives persistently rejecting every single cornerstone of our “Western” culture, will destroy America’s identity as we know it. Change, can you spell it?
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Basically, the notion that a vote for Obama is a vote for Clinton, is a negation of the value of Obama leadership, and an attack on the very quintessence of the American Presidential vote. A general election, is the basic exercise of selecting a national leader, with the correct values, personality, and background, required to further , as Jeff so appealingly puts it- the American Ideal.
A General Vote is not a vote for a marionette, a charlatan, or a place-holder and bookmark. A basic reading of the Constitution, which was written by a few Masons who explicitly despised the very notion of a political party, makes this tangible clear to even a middle-schooler.
Since Hussein0s electorate is engrossed in the fairytale logic of pre-schoolers or – from another vista point- Hollywood junkies (those who mistake Hollywood crap for national reality)- I don’t need to speculate as to why such kindergartners miss the irony of a “Professor” of Constitutional La, being elected not as a Commander-in-Chief or actual President, but a pale imitation of one; a proxy for the party with a command center hidden away somewhere at HQ.
Democratic Spinsters have to make a choice, either they are going to sell the American people a “fake” president - so that his glaring ignorance, lack of credibility, skimpy resume, open hostility to mainstream society and the “American Ideal,” along with his gauzy leadership qualities - are taken with a grain of salt - or, the Democrats are going to sell us an “Obama” who is all these things, and worst.
Either Rational Persons are being asked to vote for a leader by the name of “Obama” of “Obama” substance, or we are being offered a proxy vote for Clinton - in which case we are not “really” voting Obama - but for a “Clinton” but without really voting, or getting the “Clinton.”
Appears insane? It is.
It belongs in the books of Dr. Seuss, not in the realm of political choice.
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As established par our blog, Hussein0 is a Moderate Black Nationalist with a life-long record of serious animosity towards the American Ideal. This is the “man” who ran against Clinton, and stole the Democratic nomination.
Now, we are bening s/t-old, this man is not really himself, but an incarnation of Clinton.
If Clinton herself stoops to promoting such a flippant notion, she can forget about 2012 - I will not hesitate to disparage her.
With an “Obama” non-Obama as the head of a party which “pretends” to really be Clintonian, we can expect an incapacitated troop of political imps incapable of resolving four years of deadlock between an an over-empowered Senator Clinton and a very bitter and under-empowered “fake” President “Obama.”
Having carefully observed Turd0 during this nasty Primary, Democrats are reaching a new low of anti-thought if they imagine that their “fantasies” about “Obama,” upon which they project noble, but odiously retarded imagines of “Democratic Platforms” are actually capable of coming true.
From my limited view from the bleachers, Hussein0 is a truculent, irritable and illegitimate usurper, whose foremost life preoccupation has been with vocalizing the resentment of the “Victims of Western Imperialism” and attacking America as an insufficient, desperate, dismal, and illegitimate continuation of it.
With no track record of affecting Change, of compromising, of successful problem solving, not only will his irascible manners prevent any “dialogue” on contentious policies and controversies, his predilection towards “excuses” (my staff made a mistake, we are all victims, I didn’t know that, never heard those words)- bred by his internalized “victim” mentality and cultivated by his affinity with America-bashers - will make the Carter years look like appetizer for the catastrophe of a Presidency of Moral, Cultural, and Intellectual Excrement.
Democrats, don’t kid yourself. A vote for Turd, is not, nor ever will be, a vote for either Clinton, or that part of the Democratic party, with which we identify. Hussen0 has let it be known, that we are all bitter bigots and racists, and at base level, seriously cynical, old, internet illiterate and so passé.
The ones Hussein0 wants to Change, is US. We are the ones who have been identified as the problem. Vote for Obama, if you need the help of a pathological prevaricator and political charlatan, in getting yourself back to your bloated narcissistic Shambhala. - that’s what the Democratic Party has done- and that, not Clinton’s platform, is what the Party has become.
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so then, is that what their solgan, “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” means?
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Thank you for mentioning :
Carter can also claim to have orchestrated, with the help of Zbigniew Brzezinsky (Zer0’s anti-Semitic foreign policy adviser) our covert effort to Afghanistan’s Taliban and radical Islamist forces, not to mention Osama Bin Laden and the Saudi’s. Carter/Brzezinsky allowed extremist Islamist forces not only wage a Holy War (a “Jihad”) against the Soviet intervention on behalf of a secular left-wing government in Kabul, but in fact, as Brzezinski now admits, to fund and finance these extremists in the first place, long before the USSR had set it sights on the barbarous and chauvinist country. Through murder and massacre of anti-Islamist progressive secular forces , these Muslim extremists – let out of prisons all over the Middle-East -with the express approval of the Carter administration (think about that one)- did exactly what Brzezinski dreamed ….
When I heard that Madeline Albright was Hillary’s Foreign Policy Advisor, I thought that was a terribly flawed person to have as an advisor. Then I read that Brzezinski was Obama’s and I realized that was an even worse appointment. I had read Brzezinski’s interview years ago when he declared he had no regrets about the funding of the Taliban to overthrow the elected Afghanistan government. He was laughing at how clever he was. There is even a video of him on YouTube smiling and hugging Bin Laden. Brzezinski’s daughter was/is on the morning TV program, and I understand that his son is also on the Obama staff. I had wondered at first why so many positive Obama stories were surfacing on the “Morning Joe” program, and so many negative Clinton stories, until I realized one of the hosts was Brzezinski’s daughter.
I hope at some point you will find time to delve into the long and intricate relationship between William Ayers, Thomas Ayers (the father), and Obama. Like so many other lies Obama has told about relationships, this was not a casual acquaintance, who just happened to give him a contribution of $200 and held a fund raiser for him. Andy Martin of Chicago mentions some of the surprising details and links.
Three requests:
1. PLEASE learn the correct use of the verbs affect and effect.
2. Learn more about the history of U.S. government policy and actions in Central and South America. When you spout right-winger fallacies, it calls into question the validity of your other points.
3. Please proof read your posts.
(I’ll be back to comment on this article. Puma!)
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So the upshot is vote McCain? Lot of useless words. If you want to be a hack be a hack. You’re not fooling anyone with half a brain and you already have all the dumb folks you’re going to get. I guess it would be a bit tough with your skill level to exert some amount of subtlety but if you could it would be refreshing. Let me give you a hint. Using Sean Hannity talking points tends to give you away.
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ea on 10 Jun 2008 at 6:20 am 6 wrote:
Three requests:
1. PLEASE learn the correct use of the verbs affect and effect.
2. Learn more about the history of U.S. government policy and actions in Central and South America. When you spout right-winger fallacies, it calls into question the validity of your other points.
3. Please proof read your posts.
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No idea whatsoever what this post is referenced to. Spouting “right-winger fallacies”? History of the U. S. Government policy? What’s going on here? What about maintaining some sort of civility among posters? Admonishing other posters to “proof read your posts” is not the way. People do make typos and other mistakes, this happens. I am more interested in the message rather than if it is typed correctly without mistakes.
Juanita: Thanks for the post. I do believe that Hillary is only doing what she has to do politically for now. It is up to us to rid the party of Pelosi et al and Dean et al so the democratic party can once again be about true democracy. I will vote for any opponent running against any democrat that voted for Obama. I will never vote for Obama on any ticket ever. He is despicable. Don’t worry the trolls are out in force today and will be hereinafter. Their master has given them their tasks to tear down anyone not supporting him. I want to puke evertime I see his face or hear his voice. Its Hillary or McCain.
where is obama’s birth certificate ? why wont he produce it ? does it say father, kenyan jackel mother, virgin ann ? i dont think he is even eligible to be the potus. just like the whitey tape, this bombshell is on the way, as well. poor little barry, he’s going to be burnt toast. are you listening adam and odocoileus ?
Obama will not get my vote. The more Obama maniacs try to convince me otherwise, the more I look the other way.
Clinton 2012!!
to BARB
Thank you for your response to my post.
1. My concern about right-wing fallacies is based on how I read her comments about the Sandinstas. Perhaps I misread or misinterpreted it.
2. I was and will remain civil–don’t really understand the basis for this comment, missing something?
3. I myself have made typos in hurried posts, trying to keep up with threads. Ms. G is one of the founders of this site presenting a prepared topic. It is not a quick response. She had to take the time to collect the info; I believe it is reasonable to take the time to proofread. She is putting her work out for the world to judge. Content is key, but presentation, grammar and vocabulary matter. I want her views to be taken seriously.
see what I mean…
Typo in my post at 12:11 pm, uh I think the clock is wrong.
Should be Sandinistas. Also “misinterpreted it” should be “misinterpreted them“
It doesn’t surprise me that he’s a delusional parasite trying to win by ‘becoming’ Clinton. He’s already channeled Lincoln, RFK, JFK,MLK and I’m beginning to suspect that he might have multiple personality disorder(am looking in the DSM IV for specific symptoms). The bottom line is and has always been that he ripped off this nomination from Clinton, his speeches with that fake intonation and that nose shoved up in the air are also rip offs of other people and that people like Bill above with their threats reveal exactly what is in store for this country if that fraud gets into the White House. Not to mention Wright has already told him that if he makes it to ‘1600 Pennsylvania Ave I’m coming after you.” Wow, McCain looks great next to all of this. The Obamaites don’t get it, we will NEVER vote for this anti-American Marxist.
Just vote against the Democratic party in November. No party should be rewarded for inflicting this garbage on the American people. Find a way to make your vote count against the DNC. Do not stay home on Election Day, no matter how angry, disgusted, disillusioned you might feel. This year is unique — voters are in a position to “sanction” this behavior or, with courage, vote against it.
Well I just wrote to the superdelegates again, here it is, her reply and my response:
My email to all superdelegates:
“I just wanted to remind you that you are members of the “Democratic Party” and the democratic party has not acted democratically this entire election. Hillary Clinton is our strongest candidate. She has been treated terribly by the party, the party elites and the DNC. Rules have been broken and reworked by the DNC to accommodate Obama. Where is Obama’s birth certificate? I hear he is ineligible to run for President because his father was not and is not a U.S. citizen living here for at least 5 years. He is not the candidate of America, he is the candidate of some of the party elite and the DNC. Whatever supposed hatred you have for the Clintons does not justify what is happening. Obama will be defeated and all of you will be defeated when your up for re-election. We will take back our party out of the hands of the ultra left and fanatics that have taken it over. Shame on you for allowing this to happen. Shame on you for selling out America and the party’s principles. All of you should have stood by Hillary Clinton. I hear rumors that Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi are pushing Hillary Clinton to give up her delegates and that she will not be asked to speak or appear at the convention. I think this party has gone off a cliff and I for one will vote McCain. Shame on all of you for letting this happen. Unless you stop this insanity, you cannot call yourselves Americans or democats. This party is corrupt. As life long democrats my family (242) will vote for McCain and work our hearts out to defeat any democrat who voted for Obama or has not tried to do anything to stop this insanity. You will regret going against the people’s wishes to nominate Hillary Clinton.”
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Here is one reply so far:
Date: 6/10/2008 1:13:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
From: mjneville@mstanea.org
Dear Person Who Didn’t Leave a Name (are YOU a citizen??)
Several points come to mind – first, I don’t Hillary Clinton, I have an enormous amount of respect for her. She was not the first candidate I supported this election cycle, tho, John Edwards was. If you think back to the beginning of this election, Senator Clinton not only had the majority of DNC members supporting her, she had the majority on the Rules and Bylaws Committee that met recently. If you know anything about America you will know that you have to be born here to be a citizen – not your father. You are right when you suggest the rules haven’t been followed – even tho Senator Clinton and her team supported them when she was winning. Her man Harold Ickes supported not seating states that went out of the window – he voted for it and spoke out for it. then he changed his position and wanted to change the rules when his candidate fell short. You would do better to stick to the facts. If you get your information from FOX and Rush Limbaugh perhaps the Republican party is a better fit for you.
Here is my reply back:
“My name is _______ and I have been a democrat all my life along with 242 members of my family in several states. For as long as my family have been voting, they have been democrats. As far as knowing anything about America, I believe we do. According to the law on the books at the time of Obama’s birth, (from December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986) the presidential office requires a natural-born citizen, if the child was not born to two U.S. citizen parents. “…If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means that even though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, Obam’s mother fails the test for being a citizen for at least 5 years PRIOR TO Obama’s birth, but “after” age 16. It doesn’t matter “after”. His mother was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship. At most, there were only two years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawaii. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5, or 21 years old at the time of Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural born citizen. “Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of president”. Though Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other information does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. citizen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961 with 5 of those years being after age 16. A friend of mine went through an agonizingly long process to become a U.S. citizen after going through the exact same thing as noted above.
I do not get my information from Fox et al. I don’t watch the television news, listen to radio talkheads or read Time or Newsweek magazines, as they have been and continue to be bought and paid for by elitists with their own political agenda. As far as Florida and Michigan I disagree with you. However, you miss many other points, distortion of the rules by the DNC, additional delegates added to certain states, caucus strong arming, voter fraud, the DNC and party elites’ hands in awarding this nomination to Obama. I can never vote for someone with his affiliations, his inexperience and anti-American feelings from both he and his wife. The DNC complicity with party elites and hate for the Clintons, the party that the Clintons helped to make the great party it was until this year. The voters know who the best candidate is and that is Hillary Clinton and so does the party. It boggles my mind to see you say well perhaps the Republican Party would be a better fit for me. It is this attitude that is turning democratic voters away from this party. We do not want the party elites and the DNC to dictate who will be our nominee. In the beginning Pelosi said that whoever has the popular vote and now she says whoever has the most delegates. Everything changes to suit Obama. Perhaps you are right, perhaps me and my family are not needed in the Democratic Party and we are whistling in the wind when we voice our concerns and complaints. I think however, its the Democratic Party who have lost their way. I’d like to ask if you know if Hillary Clinton will be permitted to speak and appear at the convention. Another rumor I am hearing is that she will not be permitted to speak. No candidate in the history of the democratic party has ever been asked to end their race. Hillary Clinton was not only asked again and again, it was demanded again and again by party elites (for instance, Leahy) beginning in January. She could have and should have taken it to the convention.
As for me and mine we will not vote for Obama under any circumstances on any ticket.”
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I borrowed info from the email above (thanks Dan) to quote the law to her. Well who knows if it will do any good. Nothing has so far been able to sway these superdelegates and DNC into doing the right thing for our party and nominating Hillary, the right candidate.
In Kenya, Struggle for Parliament is Happening Now–Odinga’s Party Issues Warning (Sounds Like Cousin Obama)
http://tinyurl.com/43swtk
With relationships like these, who wants Obama? He is cut from the same cloth as the “cousin” …Raila Odinga…
Who wants amnesty for his thugs who killed people after the December elections. Who issues “warnings”… Same operational mode as we see Obama using against us…
Every four years I when the presidential election starts I get tuned up. I sure hope Hillary becomes the nominee because I know she’ll be there for 8 years and I can rest. If its McCain the I’ll have to gear up my emotions again in four years. It can never be Obama under any circumstances.
Yeah Juanita, Jeff, Jamal and Chang and anyone else who contributes here, a big thank you. It is sites like these that keep hope alive.
@ea
gruff voice ha ha ha ha ha .
Ok teenager. When you learn the proper usage of affect, and when you show even a sliver of knowledge about US history, then come back and post your ignorant rubbish on my blog.
Wow, you guys need to study the Constitution a little more often, rather than quoting someone’s email above for evidence about the requirements to be President of the United States.
Article 2 of the Constitution, Clause 5 states:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
In other words, by the time of their inauguration, the President and Vice President must be:
natural born citizens (or citizens at the time of the Constitution’s adoption)
at least thirty-five years old
inhabitants for at least fourteen years of the United States.
The Twenty-second Amendment also prevents a President from being elected more than twice.
BE INFORMED VOTERS!
Another Juanita “hit.” Thanks for all you do. The Obamanistas and the DNC forget that there is at least one thing worse that four years of McCain, and that is letting a polical party hijack the will of the voter, and not be taken to task for it.
They will never convince me that a vote for BO is a vote for Hillary. Their campaigns fear tactics about supreme court appointments and other concerns are not more scary than disenfranchisement of voters and rampant gender-bias by the media. That needs to be addressed first. That is why I will not vote for the “chosen” mesiah of fraudulent populism in any event.
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ea on 10 Jun 2008 at 6:20 am
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I think you know what you can do with your 3 requests. It IS YOUR free-will to NOT grace Juanita and the other’s NOT OBAMA blog! They can do whatever the heck they’d like. You must be a sadistic sob to keep coming back! Oh that’s right ‘birds of a feather flock together’. Stupid is as stupid does!!!
I frankly enjoyed reading Juanita’s informational post. I have tried for months now trying to get the people of this nation to know the TRUTH about Obama’s affiliations. Most especially this one! The Brzezinsky link ties Obama to the Rockefeller’s who own EXXON/MOBILE.
“Obama’s main overall image adviser and foreign policy adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the co-founder of David Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission, and the mastermind of the disastrous Carter administration.” http://tinyurl.com/6qkm46
Hi all…. oh boy oh boy oh boy the Sh*t is about to hit Obama’s fan in 7 days!!!
National Press Club Confirmed. It’s Official
hosted by Larry Sinclair
“I am pleased to announce that the National Press Club has been confirmed for Wednesday, June 18, 2008 from 2:30 PM to 5:00 PM in the Lisagor Room. I will be somewhat occupied for the rest of the day and part of tomorrow preparing the press release that will go out via a news-wire service as well as being distributed by the NPC .”
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/
Barack Hussein Obama… may you reap as you have sown! and the same goes to ALL of your supporters!
“If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”
~ by Noam Chomsky
Thank you Gloria for posting the latest Odinga info. From the article:
“…Due to the violence that claimed over 1,000 lives and displaced tens of thousands,”
Over 1200 were murdered and at least 300, 000 are still displaced. You are SO right about obama and odinga. They’re two peas in a pod. What kind of a person has the ability to inject himself into the election of another country…have Dick Morris craft a Kenyan version of the million man march as a protest all the while knowing damn well that the Kenyans aren’t going to be marching anywhere…and then walk away without looking back while the ethnic cleansing begins! What kind of a person? The same kind of a person who, in the name of pro-choice, requires a newborn infant breathing on its own outside of it’s mother’s uterus to be thrown into a garbage pail so not to burden the mother with a baby she intended to abort in the first place (Barack’s words). What kind of a man? A man who can turn his back on low income mothers, fathers and little children forced to endure Chicago’s vicious winters without any heat just so he and his ugly-ass wife can live in a mansion they couldn’t afford to begin with.
Barack Obama is as evil and as corrupt as they come and the DNC must pay dearly for this one! Not only will I be voting for McCain this November, but I’ll be voting Republican straight down the line!
Idiots above talk of running this campaign right (bo’s press crap above) Well, why start now, morons? Then there’s ‘be informed voters’. Has anyone ever met an informed bo supporter? Of course not, it’s not in their manual.
Thanks Juanita for addressing this vital issue so incisively. I have also been concerned that they’ll try to hoodwink Hillary into being the real power behind the vacuous throne. Appreciated your recap on Carter, foretelling just how well that would work.
Your wisdom in pointing out that you cannot separate Hillary the woman from her substance was remarkable. That has been on my mind due to my own professional background as a personal growth trainer. When my work came to the attention of the country’s foremost “men’s movement”, their leaders participated in programs I led.
When they came to feel threatened by the emotional openness of the format, they maliciously attempted to organize a group mutiny - for the purpose of ’stealing its value’ - with absolutely no grasp of how to implement it! In brief, I spent 20 years in a line of work in which people projected their unresolved emotional issues onto the ‘leader’. Then, they brilliantly arrived at the solution that if they could only get rid of her (me) they could get all the benefits without the hassle.
Of course, those individuals had no clue that the person delivering the message WAS the message. Every attempt they made boomeranged back at them, as I applied mental aikido - by just getting out of the way. So, as you’ve expressed so articulately, they can aim to take Hillary’s platform and solutions - but they cannot effectively implement them. They really haven’t a clue.
All I would add, Juanita, is that if they do try to use Hillary to a degree not just you (but me and many more) find unacceptable, we would know, underlying this is GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT THREATS - not necessarily personal ones but rather of broader consequence. I was sick at heart and furious on Saturday during her speech. Now, I am settled into amazing gratitude for the very BEST she has brought out in so many of us.
Added note: I take the meaning of her comment “There is too much at stake” to be read at some much deeper level. Not clear what yet, but when it comes to strong-armed thuggery we know these slimeballs are in a class all their own.
Wait… did someone hijack your headline? I thought it was originally “A Vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary”… What am I missing here?
Obamabots are everywhere… Orwell would be proud.
for obamadums:
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/affect-versus-effect.aspx
I am just so relieved to find a site that does not tell us we “just should all get along”, and vote for Obama and the “party unity” thing, and McCain will continue the war and find Supreme Court Justices to overturn Roe VS Wade, and Hillary and Obama are alike on so many issues…..and on and on. I think I’m about to be banned from one of my other websites because I wrote (and meant it) that I will NEVER under any circumstances vote for Obama. So many wrote that I should support the candidate that Hillary has endorsed, and not to do so was to betray Hillary, and why was I so angry and bitter. I recently talked to one of my High School friends. I always thought she was one of the smartest people I would ever know. Full scholarships to Ivy League Colleges, law degree, etc. She told me Obama inspired her so, and when I ask her in what way, she hemmed and hesitated, and finally said, as an African-American, she just wanted to see a Black man in the White House before she died. I said it sounded like she was voting for the color of the candidates’ skin, and not the content of his character. She told me I just didn’t understand. I agreed.
to JUANITA GONZALES (and Princess Mononoke)
I am disappointed that you are unable to accept a simple critique about your article with the intention of improving it. Teenager?? Excuse me, but it is possible that I am old enough to be your mother (By your photo, my guess is your are in your late twenties.). Again, please look up the verbs affect and effect. You may be the one to learn something. I know a fair amount, but certainly not everything, about U.S. interventions in Central and South America. That is the area to which I limited my comments questioning your interpretation of history. I used to live in Guatemala, during the civil war, and currently live in Venezuela. Furthermore, in a subsequent post, I readily admitted that I might have misunderstood your meaning. Finally, as a former university professor, I know how writing and grammatical skills have deteriorated over the years. It is a problem for the entire country.
I no longer will read the writings of Ms. Gonzales (pleased to accommodate) and will spend my time at this site reading those of the gentlemen writers.
Peace to all (paz a todos)
Darn! Another typo slipped by me–
Should be “… you are…”
¿Post caught in filter?
Darn! Another typo slipped by me–
should be “… you are…”
(By your photo, my guess is your are in your late twenties.).
She’s not a girl she’s a blad white guy. probably intern level to McCain.
bald
I’ll vote for a cock a roach before I ever vote Obama and McCain will do just fine (no insult towards him meant). A vote for Obama is a vote for the Chicago mob to take over the White House.
NEVER
Disenfranchisement? Look Obama followed the rules of the DNC which focused on delegates not the popular vote. Florida and Michigan were warned that there would be consequences. Voters in those states should be taking on their state democratic party for moving the date. These people are all adults with free will. They chose to defy the democratic party, why shouldn’t their be consequences? Do rules matter? Why have rules if you cannot enforce them?
As someone who actually protested on the streets for a recount in Florida and worked hard to try to get that to happen, I think that it is wrong to compare what happened in 2000 with what happened in Florida and Michigan.
I am not appealing to fear. I am merely letting you know what Mccain’s stated intention of appointing strict constructionist judges in the mold of Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts, who believe that Greenwald vs. Connecticut is not a valid decision. These people believe that the right to privacy is not in the constitution and have been steadily working for 30 years to overturn the right to privacy.
If what you are feeling is fear because you support the right to privacy, then I respectfully suggest that you rethink the whole Mccain idea. We are one justice away from overturning the right to privacy and a whole string of rights that are not explicitly stated in the constitution that the right writes off as “judicial activism”. These people are still steaming over the Warren Court.
This is a free country you can vote against your interests if you want to.
Marvin, Michigan moved their primary date for one reason and one reason alone: to be able to be used as an obstacle for Senator Clinton in the event the race between Senator Clinton and obama turned out to be close. Michigan Democratic leaders were working closely with Howard Dean LONG before Michigan announced their decision to move the date. This was NOT the case of Michigan using “civil disobedience”, as Debbie Dingel likes to explain it, as a way to have a more important voice in the primary decision. Sacrificing Michigan voters was a cleverly hatched out plan between the DNC and the Michigan politicians.
As far as Michigan voters taking the matter up with their state politicians, you better damn well believe WE ARE! There is a major campaign in Michigan to not only vote for McCain to teach the DNC that they will NEVER again fuck with our freedom, but also to vote a straight Republican ticket in Michigan to show the state party that they will never sacrifice us again for their own corrupt political agenda. The only consolation to obama being handed the nomination is knowing how many corrupt Democrats in the DNC and in the state of Michigan are going to be standing in the unemployment line on November. 5th!
This isn’t the first time Michigan wanted to move its primary up. It is one of many. What was the cleverly crafted plan in 2000, to get lyndon LaRouche elected? If anything it is a quadrennial pissing contest between MI and NH.
Get some sun IJane.
You know I heard the same story but it claimed that Michigan was set up to help Clinton get the nomination. This was before we found out that Clinton wouldn’t get the delegates she wanted.
So I would take this with a grain of salt.
You all should check out http://www.obama-wire.com it has some great news stories on Obama not really highlighted by the mainstream media…
Cheers,
Dave
http://www.obama-wire.com
“According to Rule 20C1a, Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Michigan, and Florida should have had their delegates reduced by 50%. However, Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina were not penalized at all to protect their first-in-the-nation status, while Michigan and Florida were stripped of all their delegates. Thus, the DNC is applying the rules ARBITRARILY.”
This information was taken from SeatOurDelegates.com.
Ahndruw, ahhh Andy, interesting argument. However, in 2000 uncommitted beat LaRouche 71% to 29% AND MI party bosses decided to RE vote. Hmmm…so they revote when it helps the guy they want, and don’t revote when it would hurt their guy the messiah. Hillary beat Barry, John and Bill combined and then Barry O was given the delegates based on a group ticket, did I mention the group ticket LOST? Oh, but getting delegates when he wasn’t on the ballot wasn’t good enough for Barry &co. no, he had to take 4 more of Hillary’s earned delegates in order to make it an even split (sounds like the kid’s game: One for you, two for me….One for you, three for me…= Barry O playground bully)
ea said on 11 Jun 2008 at 10:02 am
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I can understand how frustrating it can be for a professor to read an excellent post and discover grammatical errors while you’re reading. You sound like a natural proof reader. I used to be the same. Well I actually still am. However, ever since I began blogging last year I have totally toned down. I now understand that it’s not quite like writing a paper or a literally article. I still proof read my posts, but sometimes there isn’t any time to do so. Plus I might add, when you are passionately expressing yourself a few grammatical errors slipped through.
You could have politely sent her an email and been discreet about your feelings. You could have chosen to critique her privately. That’s all.
Marin, I know you learned from obama and Axelrod…who learned from Hitler and Goebbels, that propaganda is far easier and more profitable then using good old fashioned hard work, research and facts. But…the fact is that Michigan’s fearless leaders who “fought” for their voters, endorsed obama right after the May 31 Rules committee meeting. There ain’t no grain of salt on the table to take. The idea that Michigan was setup for Clinton is a hoot, though.
yes IJane, MI leaders actually blocked the vote. Also, Andy, interesting tidbit from that same election cycle (2000). REPUBLICAN MI voters handed GeoWBushie an upset loss that primary sending W into crying fits (boohoo) that they were stalling his coronation as nominee and prolonging the primary (hmm..sounds kinda familiar)…..So MI repubs preferred McCain and said NOBush in 2000…sounds like MI voters are pretty smart!
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To jmk:
“Then there’s ‘be informed voters’. Has anyone ever met an informed bo supporter? Of course not, it’s not in their manual.”
Thank you for that. As I was reading the responses I wondered why this fact hadn’t been posted earlier.
An Open Letter to Certain White Women Who Are Threatening to Withhold Support from Obama in November
Your Whiteness is Showing
By TIM WISE
This is an open letter to those white women who, despite their proclamations of progressivism, and supposedly because of their commitment to feminism, are threatening to withhold support from Barack Obama in November. You know who you are.
I know that it’s probably a bad time for this. Your disappointment at the electoral defeat of Senator Hillary Clinton is fresh, the sting is new, and the anger that animates many of you–who rightly point out that the media was often sexist in its treatment of the Senator–is raw, pure and justified.
That said, and despite the awkward timing, I need to ask you a few questions, and I hope you will take them in the spirit of solidarity with which they are genuinely intended. But before the questions, a statement if you don’t mind, or indeed, even if (as I suspect), you will mind it quite a bit.
First, for those of you threatening to actually vote for John McCain and to oppose Senator Obama, or to stay home in November and thereby increase the likelihood of McCain winning and Obama losing (despite the fact that the latter’s policy platform is virtually identical to Clinton’s while the former’s clearly is not), all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
For those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and increase the odds of his winning (despite the fact that he once called his wife the c-word in public and is a staunch opponent of reproductive freedom and gender equity initiatives, such as comparable worth legislation), all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
For those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and help ensure Barack Obama’s defeat, as a way to protest what you call Obama’s sexism (examples of which you seem to have difficulty coming up with), all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
Your whiteness is showing.
When I say your whiteness is showing this is what I mean: You claim that your opposition to Obama is an act of gender solidarity, in that women (and their male allies) need to stand up for women in the face of the sexist mistreatment of Clinton by the press. On this latter point–the one about the importance of standing up to the media for its often venal misogyny–you couldn’t be more correct. As the father of two young girls who will have to contend with the poison of patriarchy all their lives, or at least until such time as that system of oppression is eradicated, I will be the first to join the boycott of, or demonstration on, whatever media outlet you choose to make that point. But on the first part of the above equation–the part where you insist voting against Obama is about gender solidarity–you are, for lack of a better way to put it, completely full of crap. And what’s worse is that at some level I suspect you know it. Voting against Senator Obama is not about gender solidarity. It is an act of white racial bonding, and it is grotesque.
If it were gender solidarity you sought, you would by definition join with your black and brown sisters come November, and do what you know good and well they are going to do, in overwhelming numbers, which is vote for Barack Obama. But no. You are threatening to vote not like other women–you know, the ones who aren’t white like you and most of your friends–but rather, like white men! Needless to say it is high irony, bordering on the outright farcical, to believe that electorally bonding with white men, so as to elect McCain, is a rational strategy for promoting feminism and challenging patriarchy. You are not thinking and acting as women, but as white people. So here’s the first question: What the hell is that about?
And you wonder why women of color have, for so long, thought (by and large) that white so-called feminists were phony as hell? Sister please…
Your threats are not about standing up for women. They are only about standing up for the feelings of white women, and more to the point, the aspirations of one white woman. So don’t kid yourself. If you wanted to make a statement about the importance of supporting a woman, you wouldn’t need to vote for John McCain, or stay home, thereby producing the same likely result–a defeat for Obama. You could always have said you were going to go out and vote for Cynthia McKinney. After all, she is a woman, running with the Green Party, and she’s progressive, and she’s a feminist. But that isn’t your threat is it? No. You’re not threatening to vote for the woman, or even the feminist woman. Rather, you are threatening to vote for the white man, and to reject not only the black man who you feel stole Clinton’s birthright, but even the black woman in the race. And I wonder why? Could it be…?
See, I told you your whiteness was showing.
And now for a third question, and this is the biggie, so please take your time with it: How is it that you have managed to hold your nose all these years, just like a lot of us on the left, and vote for Democrats who we knew were horribly inadequate–Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, right on down the uninspiring line–and yet, apparently can’t bring yourself to vote for Barack Obama? A man who, for all of his shortcomings (and there are several, as with all candidates put up by either of the two major corporate parties) is surely more progressive than any of those just mentioned. And how are we to understand that refusal–this sudden line in the proverbial sand–other than as a racist slap at a black man? You will vote for white men year after year after year–and are threatening to vote for another one just to make a point–but can’t bring yourself to vote for a black man, whose political views come much closer to your own, in all likelihood, than do the views of any of the white men you’ve supported before. How, other than as an act of racism, or perhaps as evidence of political insanity, is one to interpret such a thing?
See, black folks would have sucked it up, like they’ve had to do forever, and voted for Clinton had it come down to that. Indeed, they were on board the Hillary train early on, convinced that Obama had no chance to win and hoping for change, any change, from the reactionary agenda that has been so prevalent for so long in this culture. They would have supported the white woman–hell, for many black folks, before Obama showed his mettle they were downright excited to do so–but you won’t support the black man. And yet you have the audacity to insist that it is you who are the most loyal constituency of the Democratic Party, and the one before whom Party leaders should bow down, and whose feet must be kissed?
Your whiteness is showing.
Look, I couldn’t care less about the Party personally. I left the Democrats twenty years ago when they told me that my activism in the Central America solidarity and South African anti-apartheid movements made me a security risk, and that I wouldn’t be able to get clearance to be in some parade with Governor Dukakis. Yeah, seriously. But for you to act as though you are the indispensible voters, the most important, the ones whose views should be pandered to, whose every whim should be the basis for Party policy, is not only absurd, it is also racist in that it, a) ignores and treats as irrelevant the much more loyal constituency of black folks, without whom no Democrat would have won anything in the past twenty years (and indeed the racial gap favoring the Democrats among blacks is about six times larger than the gender gap favoring them among white women, relative to white men); and b) demonstrates the mentality of entitlement and superiority that has been long ingrained in us as white folks–so that we believe we have the right to dictate the terms of political engagement, and to determine the outcome, and to get our way, simply because for so long we have done just that.
But that day is done, whether you like it or not, and you are now left with two, and only two choices, so consider them carefully: the first is to stand now in solidarity with your black brothers and sisters and welcome the new day, and help to push it in a truly progressive and feminist and antiracist direction, while the second is to team up with white men to try and block the new day from dawning. Feel free to choose the latter. But if you do, please don’t insult your own intelligence, or ours, by insisting that you’ve done so as a radical
Another one of many reasons NOT to vote for Obama. The article is from a recent HumanEvents.com interview with Howard Dean in which he discussed his plans for the Denver Convention, and guess what? He didn’t mention that the Clintons would be included in his plans:
Breakfast With Dr. Dean
by John Gizzi
Posted: 06/12/2008
Barack Obama will have a free hand in writing the Democratic Party platform and the agenda at the national convention in Denver, according to Democratic National Chairman. At a press breakfast yesterday hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, DNC chairman and physician Howard Dean would not answer my question as to the role at the convention of former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Hillary Clinton, or the Boy Scouts of America. In a lively session in which the former Vermont governor explained why he wore the American flag pin (“I want to remind the Republican Party that they don’t own the flag”) and charged that “the problem with the Republican Party is that they value their ideology above what’s good for the country and their hold on power,” Dean would not specify anything at the party conclave this August aside from the role House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and two others will play in presiding over the convention.
“Senator [sic] Pelosi is the permanent chair,” Dean told me, “There are three permanent co-chairs, or will be when the convention presumably elects them. [Kansas] Governor [Kathleen] Sebelius, [Atlanta] Mayor Shirley Franklin, and [Texas] State Sen. Letitia Vanderput. We did that because those women at the time of their appointment were chairs of major Democratic organizations — the first time four women had chaired these major organizations — Governors Association, Mayors Conference, and National Conference of State Legislators, and, of course, the first woman speaker of the House.” He added that “we rotate between men and women every convention,” recalling that New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson was chairman of the convention in 2004.
Fine, but will the Clintons and the Boy Scouts play a role at the convention that nominates Obama? (I asked because the Boy Scouts were nearly booed off the stage by gay activists at the 2000 Democratic Convention). Dean said: “In terms of who’s going to do what at the convention, that is left entirely up to the nominee. Since we now have one, those decisions will now be left up entirely to the nominee and we will not be part of those decisions.”
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I don’t know about you, but this makes me want to throw up. Maybe I just imagined that over 18 million voters cast their ballots for Clinton.
“But that day is done, whether you like it or not, and you are now left with two, and only two choices, so consider them carefully: the first is to stand now in solidarity with your black brothers and sisters and welcome the new day, and help to push it in a truly progressive and feminist and antiracist direction, while the second is to team up with white men to try and block the new day from dawning. Feel free to choose the latter. But if you do, please don’t insult your own intelligence, or ours, by insisting that you’ve done so as a radical.”
What???? I am standing solidly with my real brother and sisters, and guess what? They are all Hillary Clinton supporters who are now considering voting for McCain as they are totally disgusted with the Howard Dean, Obama, and the Democratic Party. They are not comfortable supporting a man who sat in a church for 20+ years and in the last few years, made donations of over $20,000 to a church who had a minister “God Damning America”. They are also concerned with his long and intricate relationships with Ayers, Rezko, Pfleger. I am also.
As Larry Pinkney wrote concerning Obama:
This is a man who has enjoyed the fruits of America at the blood and expense of Black Americans and others, but who has paid virtually no dues.
This is a man whose father had also enjoyed the fruits of university schooling in America but subsequently returned to his native Kenya.
This is a man, who also like his father before him, neither served in a branch of the US military nor in any organization in America opposed to US military adventurism.
This is a man who as a deeply corporate military industrial complex US Presidential candidate, has called for “unilateral” US military actions in other nations. [And why not? After-all, his father, himself, or his wife and children were not and will not be the ones killing and being killed.]
This is a man who, in Chicago, pretended to support the human rights of the Palestinian people but who is now known to be a huge supporter of the apartheid Zionists and their powerful and insidious political lobby in America.
This is a man who dares opportunistically to feign admiration for the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., but does not share the collective memory, pain and deep concerns of Black America, other people of color, or even of numerous white Americans for that matter - in the ongoing struggle for equality and justice in this nation.
This is a man who has de facto contempt for the past supreme sacrifices made by thousands of activists from so-called “militant” organizations such the Organization of Afro-American Unity (OAAU), the Student National Coordinating Committee (SNCC), the Black Panther Party (BPP), Students For A Democratic Society (SDS), the American Indian Movement (AIM), the Revolutionary Action Movement (RAM), etc.
This is a man who is silent about the need for reparations for Black American descendants of slaves and the genocide of the indigenous so-called “Indian” peoples on this continent. He is the consummate opportunist who, in reality, cares nothing about the horrors inflicted upon Black, Brown, and Red peoples in this nation, and has repeatedly signaled that he plans to inflict even more “unilateral” military horrors upon various nations and peoples of the world.
This man, Barack Obama, is but a more articulate, younger, and shinier version of the current and infamous US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, adorning himself dangerously and abundantly in superficiality and double-speak.
They didn’t revote the primary in 2000, they held a caucus. And every Clinton loving democrat knows how evil those are.
And 2004 when they wanted to move the primary/caucus up, what was the conspiracy theory then? And 1996 when they moved their primary, the cleverly crafted plan was…?
Oh wait, I get it, somehow the evil forces of Dean and Obama have been conspiring for decades trying to move almost every MI primary in history up just so that when they hatch their evil plan in 2008 it won’t look suspicious. I GET IT! Hmm, maybe not.
It seems to me history shows they want to keep moving their primary for more than, as you say, “one reason and one reason alone.”
Andy, the MI voters are not the ones messing with the primary dates, its the party bosses, and republican ones at that. The Dr. Dean Show couldn’t possibly have controlled their desire to change the date he just manipulated the punishment and “solution” to favor his Barry precious one. The voters of MI wanted a revote, FOB (friends of Barry) blocked it. Barry took himself off the ballot, he should’ve rec’d zero delegates. The revote would have been the solution but since Barry knew he would lose he blocked the revote.
imustprotest, yes I completely agree with you. But I must also add that it cost a million + to remove a candidates name off the ballot. The rules do not say that the candidates must remove their name off of the ballot. Only that the votes will not count as a penalty for moving the primary date sooner.
And it was the Republican governors who we can thank for that. Their excuse was that it was saving tax payer dollars to combine both primary elections on the same day (ie; Printing ballots, printing and postage for voter mailers, etc.).
Hillary could not afford to pay to have them re-do all of the ballots and voter mailers that went out to the citizens of those two states. However, Barack Obama with millions could afford it.
When a group offered to pay for a re-vote in those two states without it costing the taxpayers a penny in those two states… Barack Obama REFUSED! Hhmmm, I wonder why?
The appointed one is and will always be an illegitimate “nominee”. This campaign will e remembered not only for the very undemocratic way that it was executed by the DNC..the real travesty was that the most capable, qualified, intelligent, compassionate, hard working candidate was tossed aside for an arrogant, untested, unvetted, under-qualified empty suit. Obama the UNcandidate.
I find all this anti-Obama rhetoric is pretty interesting but strange…I didn’t know America could be so filled with hate, that when a good candidate comes along with good ideas and a good platform, we have to work so hard to find big words to defeat him including:
the “un-candidate” (how dare a black man run for president!),
the so-called “evil forces” of dean and obama” (a new version of bush’s “axis of evil”), “superficiality and double-speak”. i know americans are full of contempt for george bush’s policies, but
why do they have to dump their cynicism, contempt and prejudice on the first good guy that has come along in years??
this is crazy — let’s put the blame on the bad guy (bush). he royally “screwed up”; let’s leave our anger with him, where it belongs.
obamaliaron 10 Jun 2008 at 11:36 am 14
where is obama’s birth certificate ? why wont he produce it ? does it say father, kenyan jackel mother, virgin ann ? i dont think he is even eligible to be the potus. just like the whitey tape, this bombshell is on the way, as well. poor little barry, he’s going to be burnt toast. are you listening adam and odocoileus ?
He posted it just yesterday on fightthesmears. Hello.. Hello… anybody there? “crickets”
That was an abstract of his birth certificate and it looks doctored. He need to show the complete certificate of birth. I would never vote for this bastard Obama on any ticket. I won’t vote for any democrat who voted for him. The democratic party is dead. It has been taken over by Obama and the far far left. The party has to go down in flames.
My wife and I will Never vote for Obama, we will vote for Nader first he is a Million times better.
Ellen Trumpleron 13 Jun 2008 at 1:33 am 64
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By all means, you are entitled to your opinion and so are we. If you want to believe that Obama is a good candidate with good ideas and a good platform that IS your perogative.
I can only speak for myself, I do not dislike the man because of the color of his skin. I ONLY care about the content of his character. He makes beautiful speeches and tells us everything we want to hear I’ll give him that. However, just because he has sponsored and co-sponsored many many bills doesn’t mean SQUAT if they were NEVER put into LAW. One or two certainly does not count out of dozens. The proof is in the pudding.
I’m sure you have heard the old saying “Actions SPEAK louder than words”. Well that would most definitely hold true for Barack Obama.
Oh and by the way, you are in a blog where dialog is specifically about OUR collective DISDAIN for this man. It’s like being in a room only virtual and everyone is sharing our view points on the same TOPIC this room being solely about Obama.
I must add that I have never been or intend to go to an Obama blog or a Republican blog or a pro-Bush blog or a KKK blog or any blog that I have nothing to contribute or want to contribute or even dialog with. So I ask you why have the Obamanations made it their job to infiltrate and dis-respect ALL pro-Hillary blogs!
True Clinton supporters will for MCain in Nov and will not stay home.
True Clinton supporters will ignore the DNC threats about Roe vs Wade. Roe vs Wade has stood even though we’ve had at least 3 Republican presidents since then. True Hillary supporters are not like the radial leftists at the Nobama camp.