Jun 12 2008

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Jeff Gold

Framing your Republican Vote with Neocons

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I think it’s understandable that some Clinton Democrats will find it excruciatingly difficult to vote McCain - no matter what their take on Obama. I understand and emphasize, because I share the pain. There is no better candidate for the American people, than Hillary Clinton- and unless we can still get her on the ballot, we have a tough decision to make. The Obama folks at the DNC, know this.

That’s why, ads targeting Clinton Democrats and Independents, will make 2008 the “Vote Democratic” campaign - less “Vote Obama” than, “Can you Possibly vote Republican?!” This frame, is already evident in a new ad; it’s also politically inevitable- the DNC wants our vote, so it is forced to eschew their Presidential candidate’s name when communicating with us.

Meanwhile, Obama is already posing as the Ultimate American. His “Fight the Smears” Website has got two American Eagles, and its header consists of a Patriotic Quote about Transcending our sub-national divisions. It’s been a while – since the odd poll showed American’s didn’t cozy up much to Michelle Obama- that Barack had removed her from his introduction page, and replaced the family photo with a glowing, and much whitened picture of himself (the former picture was black and white). The “Welcome Hillary Supporters” in the right margin, is a token of “Reconciliation,” although there is no content whatsoever for those seeking an apology for Pfleger’s comments. This can’t be said about the McCain website, where I found a some favorable articles on Clinton as early as March.

While McCain may be better at welcoming Clinton supporters than Obama, this will be a hard push against the “Vote Democratic” campaign, which exploits two vulnerabilities of anti-Obama voters. One, the association between Bush 43-the GOP-McCain; two, McCain’s weaknesses on the economy. In this post, I will discuss the first.

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The first vulnerability, is one explicitly foreseen by Axelrod in his campaign strategy. In 2004, Axelrod pushed against Mark Penn’s attempts to portray Kerry as a war hero and supporter of the Iraq war. He believed Kerry could not outdo the Republicans on war, and Kerry’s real chance was as a “mirror opposite” of George Bush - a kind of Howard Dean cum Vietnam War veteran. Kerry’s defeat, served to solidity Axelrod’s perspective, and in 2008, finally getting his hands on a candidate which he controls entirely (in 2004 he played third fiddle to Penn), Axelrod is going all out to play the “mirror opposite” card. To succeed, he needs to solidify the link between War-Iraq-Bush-McCain, a feat, requiring significantly less effort, than it took to spin Al-Qaeda and Hussein, in 2002. McCain, is a nominal hawk, with ideas about the Iraq war, that most Democrats find hard to stomach, and that’s just the start.

Change, is about youth and energy. The reason Obama cannot go a conference, even sitting at a small dinner table with a few voters, without the word “Change” figuring somewhere in the picture, is because he couldn’t find a better word to deflect everything McCain will be made to stand for by Democratic Election PR - retirement, old America, inflexibility, and lack of vibrancy. “Change” means McCain is a retrograde, it works directly against his own message of “authenticity” and “solidity”.

Fortunately for McCain, the ability of Axelrod to pigeonhole him as Bush III is severely limited by reality and facts. Unlike Obama, McCain has a solid record of bi-partisanship in the Senate. Unlike Obama, he stands out as one of the most original members of his party, where he can boast a solid centrist position. Whether Axelrod’s ability to form the Bush 43-the GOP-McCain link in Clinton Democrats and Independent minds succeeds, will depend entirely on whether or not the media take him up on this frame. For his part, McCain should have little trouble in dispelling Axelrod’s myth, with hard facts.

Just as in the mentioned ad, Democrats can take as much blame for the Iraq invasion, as they can for just about any snippet of this exaggerated video (with some exception). Curiously, McCain, cannot. He may be stolid on the Iraq war, but he’s solid on his independence from either party. Americans who consider themselves centrists, are closer to McCain, than Obama.

Regardless of how the media spin the McCain-Bush nexus, there is one aspect of this nexus they will leave to the netroots- namely- Obama’s foreign policy and Middle East advisers.

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Obama supporters like to repeat that a vote for McCain is a vote for war and the reinstitution of the draft. I’d like to remind these gossipers, that MCain has explicitly stated he will not support a draft, and that if anyone is likely to drag us into war, it is the incompetent and bumbling fool, not the experienced tough-talker.

In geopolitics, war is about dissuasion and threat levels. The less you dissuade and more you lower the threat, the more appealing to potential adversaries you make any transgressions. McCain has no record of war, but unlike Obama, at least he has a record.

Part of McCain’s record, are his foreign policy advisers- including a few “neocons” such as William Kristol, and Randy Scheunemann. It is common knowledge, that these individuals dragged America into war - and will require little effort from DailyKos and Axelrod’s online surrogates, to exploit in forming the McCain war-monger association.

Unfortunatelly, common knowledge is often times wrong. Since it was the media, and not the “neocons” who dragged this country into the Iraq war, the media will have the good sense not to play the “neocon” card against McCain; since Obama’s undisciplined netroots are dominated by ignorant conspiracy theorists, the blogosphere will make
”neocons” central to the McCain-war monger narrative.

In 2002, Obama addressed a crowd in Chicago’s Lake Front, with a speech against the Iraq war. The grounds of his opposition to deposing Saddam, were conspiratorial. He mentioned Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith as armchair generals plotting with Karl Rove to divert attention from America’s domestic problems, by fomenting war abroad.
Why Obama chose these two particular individuals, and why he insinuated conspiracy among them, has yet to be explained by his campaign. In the face of steady media propaganda against Saddam Hussein, Obama never justified his speech to begin with, but thankfully, six years later his internet supporters will seek to fell McCain, by providing all the juicy details.

If there is one link between McCain and Bush 43, it is surely the “neocons,” and what could make Clinton’s McCain supporters, more vulnerable than this “proof” of McCain’s evil intentions?

The trouble with this “neocon” link, is simple. Argue as the Obama netroots may, there is absolutely no proof whatsoever of a “neocon” conspiracy behind the Iraq war. The individuals concerned, Kristol and Scheunemann are intellectuals and policy experts, with decades of outstanding foreign policy experience. Unlike Obama’s advisers, their loyalty to America, the West, and Israel, cannot be doubted for one second. These are individuals of undisputable moral rectitude, and with policy outlooks driven by the overriding objective of securing America’s national security. Far from being a liability, McCain’s ability to attract intellectuals of such caliber and renown to his National Policy Team, deservers respect.

Of course, Obama roots will think otherwise. They will insist, irrespective of facts and proof, that “neocons” were behind the Iraq war, that Obama’s “judgment” in making a speech against it was “wise,” and that Americans are murderers and pillagers. Jodi Evans, a militant Obama bundler who promises to wreak havoc in Denver if Clinton forces show up, sums up these views with her recent “Ossama was right.

At this stage, I’d like to remind Clinton supporters, why Clinton was (and lets pray, still can become) the best candidate this country could possibly vote into the Presidential Office. The views of Jodi Evans and Mr. Obama himself, are extremit and profoundly anti-American in the worst sense of the words. They are not main-stream, they are irresponsible, dangerous, and marginal.

America, even in its worst unilateral moments, is a country with allies, balancing their needs against one another and their adversaries, to maintain the world system. Extremists such as Evans, and most Obama supporters, imagine that the world would be a better place, if and only if, the US stopped ruining it. If we moved our troops out of Qatar, out of Iraq, out of Kyrgyzstan and/or Okinawa, supposedly the world would just magically prosper and bloom. Nothing could be further from the truth.

We are where we are, because that’s the make-up of the world’s balance of forces. Our country’s security is served through our global alliances. Our allies, rely on American political, economic, and military support, for their own security interest. Whether Jodi Evans likes it or not, we are bound to Japan, bound to NATO, bound to Israel, and bound to Columbia. Obama may think it a good idea, to threaten such alliances by undermining our allies trust in our ability to serve their interest. Clinton and McCain do not. Rightfully so.

Now there are few people in the American foreign policy establishment, who understand the importance of alliances- not to mention experience- and America’s national security interests, than the so called “neocons.” Individuals such as William Kristol and Charles Kreuthammer, may not appeal to the average Obama voter, but they are far more mainstream in the foreign policy establishment, than their maligners would have you believe, while their grasp of America’s foreign policy objectives and goals are unmatched; their dedication to our security, unparalleled. The largest liability of the “neocons” is their “ostensible” attachment to Israel.

This is a charge, bordering on anti-Semitic libel. Little wonder Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan, take liking to it. More wonder, that Obama should justify his inexplicable “opposition” to the Iraq war in 2002, with arguments indistinct from theirs.

“Neocons” are certainly concerned with Israel- as is every single foreign policy expert in America, because Israel’s security is America’s security. Iran’s ability to violate the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, certainly presents an immediate danger to Israel, and those concerned with Israel’s security, will lead the charge against Iran’s violations.

However, as all foreign affairs experts will tell you, while Israel is the focus of our occasional attention, all of Iran’s Middle East neighbors are likely to suffer if the Ayatollahs get the bomb. America’s national security depends in large part on our ability to maintain order and stability in the Middle East. Any disequilibrium, caused by an Iran capable of dominating the region by intimidating its smaller neighbors, and by blackmailing the international community into inaction through its development of Shattab rockets capable of delivering nuclear warheads as far as Central Europe, Moscow, Mumbai, and Cairo, Iran would destabilize the region for decades to come. America already lost Iran under Carter in 1979 - now, we cannot afford to lose to it. The neocons understand this better, than anyone else in Washington. They are the right people, for the right job, and should be treated accordingly.

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Of the remaining two presidential candidates, the man best equipped to maintain America’s Role in the World, and guarantee our allies’ security, is the man surrounded by individuals with decades of experience of fighting the Soviets, and decades of experience in the Middle East - yes, some because they are concerned with Isreal’s safety and are Jewish, still others, who are equally concerned by Israel’s safety, but are not Jewish. While some may consider Podhoretz’ call to bomb Iran a sign of bellicosity- consider Obama’s own call to do the same when he addressed AIPAC last year. Rather than being a negative, having the likes of Robert Kagan advise you on your foreign politics, should be the most reassuring sign of maturity and credibility a candidate can possibly have! Recall that Kagan, is among the most skeptical and realistic evaluators of the modern world! Unlike his peers in the Democratic party, he was never carried away with balderdash about Soft Power and New-Politics, instead he emphasizes the brutality and illiberality of the non-developed world, and in his countless works seeks to bring Americans out of our ignorance about just what kind of world we live in – and to shape our expectations of foreign policy, accordingly.

Naturally, the Obama team will goad its online community to discredit the “neocons” with the charge that they, unlike other at the time, were the most vocal supporters of the Iraq war. Naturally, such a notion isn’t far removed from Obama’s own conspiratorial conception of the Iraq war. Instead of providing voters with a reasonable justification of his 2002 “anti-war” shpeel, the Obama camp is looking to fan the flames of Obama’s original conspiracy theories. Too bad they have inconvenient facts to spar with.

Facts which are - while certain “neocons” spoke out forcefully for the removal of Saddam- the fact is, who didn’t, and why? We already know who – Obama; we just need the why.

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As has been reveled recently, at least forty retired Pentagon officials were used by the Pentagon -in a perfectly legal way (unfortunately)- to misinform the public about the need to invade Iraq. To do their manipulating, they needed the complicity of the media- and recent testimonies by some television moderators, corroborate precisely such complicity on the part of media executives.

How many such executives does it take to condone a major propaganda effort by the Pentagon? At least several hundred.

Speaking of the Pentagon, one prominent member, Collin Powell, delivered a speech at the UN, with the backing of the then embassador Negroponte, that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction. The CIA’s George Tenet, convinced the entire Congress pf the USA, both Democratic and Republican, that this was the case. Tony Blair echoed the accusations. The German intelligence service, the French, the Italian, the Israeli, the Saudi Arabian, and of course British, all seconded the CIA estimate. So where are the “neocons”?

Hey Obamatrolls, you want to talk “neocons?” William Kristol, and Charles Kreuthammer? Twenty largely Jewish individuals among thousands of non-Jews pushing for the War in Iraq, around the entire world? Well, then I consider it conspiracy, and possible anti-Semitism. There is no other way I can understand the dubious slander, that the publisher of a little read newspaper known as the Weekly Standard, and a few of his authors, pushed the country into War.

Rather than focusing on the role of the White House, the Media, all the then Senators and Congressmen almost not one of whome made a coherent and well publicized anti-war argument, Obama’s netroots will smear McCain with his association with a few Jewish individuals who happen to be as vocal about the necessity of removing Saddam Hussien as Christopher Hitchens had been- and cite this as proof of McCain’s intention to reinstate the draft!

The reality is simpler, and starker. The individuals with which the Obama camp is the least comfortable, happen to be those who are consistently pro-American, pro-Western, and pro-Israel. Individuals who defend America when it is attacked, either from inept United Nation bureaucrats, the militant left-wing, or by terrorists. Unlike their counterparts in the extreme “left,” these individuals do not pander to Third World dictators and tyrants, they do not excuse atrocious acts of barbarism against America and its allies, and they are fearlessly trying to engage the world with America’s objectives in mind.

Now compare this with what Mr. Obama has to offer. His advisors make up a potpourri of inexperienced double-talkers. One is caught in England telling the Brits that Obama’s talk on Iraq is just talk. Another one is caught telling a journalist that America’s Middle East problems are Israel’s fault. A third supports books which claim that Jews are behind everything that is wrong with US foreign policy, while a fourth is seen negotiating with Hamas. These are Obama’s foreign policy “advisers?!”

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McCain is not Bush. He is centrist in his social and domestic policy, and internationalist in his foreign policy. He has an unquestionable commitment to Democracy and Human Rights, and has surrounded himself with individuals with a record of defending both in the name of America’s national security interest.

Stuck with an Obama rejected by too many voters that Democrats need in order to take the White House in 2008, the DNC will attempt to portray the General Election as a struggle between itself, and the Republican Party, not Obama vs. McCain.

Unfortunately for this DNC strategy, McCain has already begun the process of bringing his party back into the center, and away from the Bush Evangelicals. Obama, on the other hand, has begun to talk to these Evangelicals, while taking our party from center, to off-center.

If subsequent election coverage indeed becomes one between Democrats and Republicans, then Obama may go on to become President. If, however, Republicans have their say, coverage will focus on the candidates themselves, and Axelrod will fail in making Obama the mirror image of Bush. Facts will be heard, and Obama will dissolve as the inexperienced radical that he is.

One thing to keep in mind as the situation develops, is that while McCain’s dominance of the GOP is favorable for Clinton Democrats, Obama’s transformation of the Democratic Party, is not.

I acknowledge that McCain certainly leaves the impression of being more war-like and hawkish than someone of Obama’s mendacious sensibilities. But impressions can be wrong. There is no reason to hesitate voting McCain, because of foreign policy. In fact, the opposite is true. Foreign policy is among the primary reasons one cannot possibly vote Obama.

As I already mentioned, voting Obama in the General Election, is as easily done by not voting, or voting third party, as it is voting directly for Obama. While the decision to go with McCain is troublesome for some, and unacceptably difficult for other, I counsel courage, and a sense of duty. Ultimately, elections aren’t really about you getting what you want, but about the country not getting, what you don’t want it to get. I wouldn’t wish Obama on anyone, and neither should you. He has already taken over the Democratic Party, are you going to let him take the whole country too?

Its tough voting McCain, but its got to be done. That simple, and it couldn’t be simpler.

30 responses so far

30 Responses to “Framing your Republican Vote with Neocons”

  1. […] CubbyChaser wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerpt… excruciatingly difficult to vote McCain - no matter what their take on Obama. I understand and emphasize, because I share the pain. There is no better candidate for the American people, than Hillary Clinton- and unless we can still … Read the rest of this great post here […]

  2. […] balogna, which leads us into today’s must-read from Jeff Gold at Stop Obama, who’s detailed, persuasive, and altogether excellent article lays out the sensibly centrist case for […]

  3. […] CubbyChaser wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerpt… excruciatingly difficult to vote McCain - no matter what their take on Obama. I understand and emphasize, because I share the pain. There is no better candidate for the American people, than Hillary Clinton- and unless we can still … […]

  4. Adamon 13 Jun 2008 at 7:25 am 4

    “The individuals concerned, Kristol and Scheunemann are intellectuals and policy experts, with decades of outstanding foreign policy experience.”

    Oh man you are so unsubtle. You are such a complete tool of the neocons. Spending hours writing posts to capture the votes of a few old angry ladies. Good luck with that. Let me give you some much needed advice. Move out of your mom’s house today. Seriously take down the rebel flag and grab your futon from the basement and step out into the sun. Look around at the people going about their day. Most of them don’t hate anybody. Most of them just want to be able to provide for themselves and take care of their kids if they get sick. Most of them want out of the war that has produced nothing but casualties and high gas prices and cost of trillions of dollars in debt. Most want the environment protected and believe it or not most people don’t even care if they get rich or not. Most will help out a neighbor in need. Most are not racist, most are very giving of their time and money. Go out into the world Jeffie. Rub your red eyes. wipe off the pizza crumbs. Get some exercise. You got the hate vote. congratulations now move on. My last piece of advice is simple. The people you are trying to keep in power could give a rats ass about you, They are not like most people. They are not your friends. If you shill for them great. If you don’t they could care less. If your going to spend all this time, why not spend it on something that means something? Trying to dupe confused angry ladies into giving away their votes does nothing for anyone. If you have this much time for God sakes use it.

    Good luck.

  5. Phelpson 13 Jun 2008 at 8:24 am 5

    I wouldn’t say those are necessarily AMERICAN Eagles.

  6. russelon 13 Jun 2008 at 8:46 am 6

    Mr.Jeff Gold,

    We are always at your side. We know that only few individuals cares a lot about our country. We salute these great individuals. Keep up the good research work and factual truths to be always available. A hero doesnt just sit in idle mode and just to wait and see, it requires a heart, hardwork, dedication, commitment and self responsibility. Never ceased from doing what is just right. Mind over matters.

  7. obamaliaron 13 Jun 2008 at 9:13 am 7

    ADAM, MAYBE A GOD SHIT CAN HELP YOU CLEAR YOUR MIND OUT. HAVENT YOU FIGURED IT OUT YET THAT THIS IS NOT A PRO-OBAMA WEB-SITE ? WE ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS, AND WE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMA INTO OUR OLD LADY LIVES. AND IF YOU HAVENT HEARD YET, WHITE MEN ARE MOVING RAPIDLY AWAY FROM O-LIAR. GET A CLUE THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYBODY’S MIND IN HERE. NOW, GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE AND GO WIPE OBAMA’S ASS AND YOUR OWN.

  8. Adamon 13 Jun 2008 at 10:58 am 8

    GOD SHIT

    Man I want one of those! That does sound like it would clear out my head. Can I use that for a band name? You haven’t trademarked it have you?

  9. Adamon 13 Jun 2008 at 11:02 am 9

    Yo obamaliar, did you see Barack released his birth certificate? So much for your big conspiracy.

  10. JP49on 13 Jun 2008 at 11:31 am 10

    That is nothing but an abstract of his birth certificate and it looks doctored. The full birth certificate has not been produced. No one will vote for Obama who have any common sense or who truly love America. Most old ladies like me are nice and care about other people and they can see a con artist a mile away. Instead of writing try reading and investigating on your own or are you Obamabots here from Gaza again. No candidate in history has had Hamas shilling for them.

  11. JP49on 13 Jun 2008 at 11:34 am 11

    P.S. Thanks Jeff. Once again a great article. Thanks for all the hard work you do. I am voting straight republican this year with the few exceptions of those who stood by Hillary. I have been a democrat all my life. I am more scared of the democratic party now than I have ever been afraid of the republicans. Obama is moving the DNC to Chicago. Wow, I didn’t know that he (not our president yet) had the clout to do that. It just goes to show how corrput our party has become. I don’t want the democratic party in charge anymore. Vote republican if you love your country.

  12. mariel v.on 13 Jun 2008 at 12:13 pm 12

    Jeff–we need to explore more about this man, obama. Where the hell are all the people from his youth, his past? Girlfriends? Boyfriends? Other than Larry Sinclair. Who is this Barry Sotero Barack Hussein Obama individual?

    McCain 08. Country over Party.

  13. […] Read the rest of this great post here […]

  14. CATHNEALONon 13 Jun 2008 at 1:35 pm 14

    Jeff
    No pro Obama person can ever convince those of us who are lifelong betrayed Democrats to vote for their candidate. Although we might be praying for a miracle so that we won’t have to vote Republican I will have no hesitation in voting McCain if that doesn’t happen. Obama’s people still don’t get it, the numbers who will see him for what he is and never vote for him will only increase as we come closer to November. Right now it’s Clinton or McCain.

  15. JP49on 13 Jun 2008 at 5:01 pm 15

    check out this Israeli newspaper article on Obama. No Obama on any ticket.

    http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm

  16. Zoeon 13 Jun 2008 at 11:53 pm 16

    Jeff– Your work is amazing — It is accurate and inspiring. Wanted you to know that I’ve directed readers to your recent piece on BHO and Israel in my current post on http://whatsuddenly.blogspot.com. I don’t get how anyone who cares about Israel (or America!) can vote Obama.

  17. Ethanon 14 Jun 2008 at 3:31 am 17

    You vindicate the neocons (you specifically mention Krilsto) by saying it was the media and not they who “

  18. Ethanon 14 Jun 2008 at 3:46 am 18

    Let me try that again… You vindicate the neocons, specifically mentioning Kristol, by saying it was not they but rather the media who “dragged” us into the Iraq war. Please. The media was the tool of the neocons, and Kristol wears both media and neocon hats. I am certainly not a member of the OFB, and will likely vote McCain if my state is in play, but please don’t try to claim amnesty for those rightwing war-pushing nutcases.

  19. […] Framing your Republican Vote with Neocons In geopolitics, war is about dissuasion and threat levels. The less you dissuade and more you lower the threat, the more appealing to potential adversaries you make any transgressions. McCain has no record of war, but unlike Obama, … […]

  20. Yolandaon 14 Jun 2008 at 8:23 pm 20

    found at TM:

    “I now see where our point of departure lies. Whereas most of you view these issues as a misunderstanding that can be talked over, I see it as a grave indication that the Democratic Party is near a tipping point where feminist and gay rights advocacies will be diminished and race-baiting will become a staple in the Primaries.

    Donna Brazile’s de-emphasis of traditional Democratic pillars says it all. The unapologetic race-baiting during the primary says it all. The unacknowledged misogyny during the primary says it all. The unapologetic guesting of a gay-bashing minister in Obama’s political rally says it all. The ungracious Obama victory says it all.

    “Misogyny, gay-bashing and race-baiting works” That’s the message that we are sending out to future Democrats if Obama wins the elections. After all, gays, women and liberals will always be in the tank for the Democrats. They need only be marginally better than the Republicans and tradition will hold a lot of them to the Democratic Party. It’s not “cool” to champion feminism and gay rights - says the young, urban voters. These issues are so much “downers”. Hope, Change, and heavy rhetoric is the key - not the issues.

    I fear for what the Democratic Party will become if Obama wins. It would be a party only marginally better than the Republicans and it will be infinitely bad for feminist ideals and gay rights. They’ve already indicated their future stance on these things by their actions. Gays and women should be willing to sacrifice this election so that the Democratic Party will remain a champion for these issues. Fail now and the consequences for the future will be dire.

    If you think McCain is a danger to “Roe v Wade”, then this is a much insidious and ultimately more devastating danger. “Roe v Wade” will not fall with a bold attack on Supreme Court Appointments. It will take decades to undo the entangled legal precedence that stems from “Roe v Wade” even if a determined group of SC justices were to force a turnaround of this landmark decision. What will ultimately doom “Roe v Wade” is a Democratic Pary that is lukewarm to feminist issues. An Obama win this November would be a step in the very dangerous direction.”
    rickya | 06.14.2008 - 10:35 am | #

  21. Adamon 16 Jun 2008 at 9:11 am 21

    80% of Clinton supporters now support Obama according to nationwide polls. That number will grow before November. He doesn’t even need 80 % to win. You are irrelevant.

  22. CATHNEALONon 16 Jun 2008 at 1:38 pm 22

    He buys the polls with the leftovers from his 300 million, he bought Iowa and now it’s under water. He bought the press and Russet’s dead, he scammed the politicians and Kennedy’s got a malignant brain tumor and on and on.

  23. Reyon 16 Jun 2008 at 2:13 pm 23

    “80% of Clinton supporters now support Obama according to nationwide polls. That number will grow before November. He doesn’t even need 80 % to win. You are irrelevant.”

    Lol…you guys are just like Obama, you like to spread lies. What are we a shadow? LMAO

  24. markon 17 Jun 2008 at 12:51 am 24

    “[Obama] mentioned Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith as armchair generals plotting with Karl Rove to divert attention from America’s domestic problems, by fomenting war abroad. Why Obama chose these two particular individuals, and why he insinuated conspiracy among them, has yet to be explained by his campaign.”

    “Yet to be explained by his campaign”? Are you kidding? Maybe because it’s been common knowledge since at least 2003 for anyone interested in the truth. But don’t take my word for it, read Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski’s firsthand account of the administration’s propaganda machine within the Pentagon (published in 12/2003, btw):

    http://www.amconmag.com/2003/12_1_03/feature.html

    Jeff Gold, you’re either a complete ignoramus or a historical revisionist of the worst kind — or both.

  25. Ripleyon 17 Jun 2008 at 6:46 pm 25

    Obama loves Ray-gun and especially Rumsfeld. He lovingly voted for Cheney’s wonderful energy bill, and the great (snark) Condi Rice!

    Why is it so difficult to understand why true Democrats prefer “maverick” “Kerry’s pick-for-VP” McCain over mr. empty suit?

    Oh and he would like to consider Chuck Hagel for VP. That is not a bad pick actually, but I was hoping McCain would beat him to it. Hagel’s a good Repub.

  26. Jeff Goldon 18 Jun 2008 at 8:02 pm 26

    I have to say to a few of you - if you want to throw insults my way, your comments will be thrown out. So keep your cool.

    Either you are incapable of reading simple English, and you failed to comprehend the above text, or you should re-read it.

    Kwiatkovski explained what? Oh- I’m sorry, you happen to be the ones who knew there were no “WMDs”

    Give me a break. Go donate to MoveOn - and don’t pretend to “read” my posts.

  27. Jeff Goldon 18 Jun 2008 at 8:09 pm 27

    For any budding conspiracists:

    do you have evidence that your “neocons” did not consider Iraq a threat?
    do you have evidence that your “neocons” knew Hussein had no WMDs?
    do you have evidence that your “neocons” manipulated Tony Blair, the German, French, Italian, and Israeli intelligence services?
    do you have evidence that your “neocons” manipulated every single media channel in America?
    do you have evidence that your “neocons” suppressed nearly all voices in America, which failed to speak up against the war.

    Good luck. If you do your research, you stuck-up Moveoners, you’ll find that the number of individuals with a coherent argument against the war, gets as numerically close to a “conspiracy” as numerically possible.

  28. Briton 24 Jun 2008 at 2:40 pm 28

    “…all the then Senators and Congressmen almost not one of whome (sic) made a coherent and well publicized anti-war argument…”

    Including Senator Clinton.

  29. regina lambon 24 Jun 2008 at 11:48 pm 29

    Is War a sin or a crime against humanity? Let’s have an inquiry with a Independent Counsel with a subpoena he won’t withdraw on who did what, knew what when, and then what the President knew and when - like for Nixon and Watergate. It was quite inspiring. We can get at the truth and the neocons can come forward to make their deals. Then will come the book and the Academy Award Winning Movie.

    Alas, we know there is no political will to do this because of some of the Democratic leadership. Unable to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    I can’t wait to read what historians think of these times.

  30. […] ago Jeff penned a piece in defense of McCain’s foreign policy advisers - the identifiable neocons, claiming […]

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