Jun 17 2008
Still Need More Reasons?
A week ago, Obama Democrats were telling us that a vote for a Republican was tantamount to a vote against modernity. Never mind the fallacious simile, suggesting that McCain was the kind of Republican to whom such charges applied. Obama Democrats are anti-intellectual by definition, or at best “fake” intellectual, and I don’t expect them to use their faculties of recall or historic reference. Implying that a vote for the most centrist candidate in the Primary, is a vote for the most retrograde Creationists and Anti-Abortionists, requires you be deliberately oblivious to the fact that only four years ago John Kerry was seriously considering nominating John McCain as his Democratic Vice Presidential running mate.
Well, now the GOP, or McCain, need not even bother answering the ignorance of Obama’s crowds as expressed in that ad. A new video, called Blue Balled, takes up where Obama Slut left off. Whoring politics to our new “enlightened” latte sipping generation with “I only Sleep with Dems.”
If tits with the words “Obama” weren’t primitive enough, the project “Truth Trough Action?” will make Barely Political look like crumpets in comparison with this expression of pathetic teenage profundity. Good thing they plan an entire campaing prediceted on their “edgy” and “racy” independent movie making. The originality gets especially fast-paced when you recognize Clint Mansell’s Requiem for a Dream in their soundrack - performed by the Kronos Quartet! Did they pay royalties for this?
But then, is “Blue Balled” -as this new video campaign is called- really worse than selling baby clothes with Obama rattles- such as found on Turd0’s official website? Then there is this start-up to keep our eyes on; I know everyone already knows about the Kids for Obama.
Yes, the difference is slim.
If you needed further proof of what voting Democratic (Obama) in 2008 implies, Truth Through Action, just provided you with some. Don’t expect a peep of protest from Hussein0.
91 responses so far
What do you expect? They can’t write songs, and they think “South Park” is brilliant.
The article is very sad and very informative. Things in the Obama camp are a lot worse than I expected.
One thing I have to mention that upsets me about this site. Why is it I have to see ads from Google for Barack Obama sodas, the “Dirt on Hillary Clinton” and Obama Forums, “Is he right for America?”. Also, and I know this won’t happen, but I am so sick of seeing that man’s photo every site I go to, including this one, that I feel like throwing up. Can we stop having Obama photos at the “Stop-Obama” site? Just wishful thinking. For some reason, seeing a photo of McCain doesn’t bother me.
Barb,
I hear ya! They’ve over marketed the obama bullshit quite enough, thank you very much. In fact, it’s having the opposite effect intended.
Mark my words, BO is being set up by George Soros, who has put all of his enormous money and power behind his candidacy. There is no way such a power hungry, egotist like Soros is supporting BO because of his “hopey/changey” message! BO’s purpose is to keep Hillary out of the White House and open the door for Soros, Brezinski and others who have an agenda that has to do with “one world government.” Brilliant strategy though…the power elite knew that GW had put a pox upon the GOP and so, they had to be creative. They brought in a Trojan horse (BO), who could mesmerize the masses into believing that we, the people, were actually in power and that we had the power to stop the corruption! By the time the people realize that they have been bamboozled again, it will be too late for that “hope and change” they were clammering for.
Also, Juanita, et al., you might take at the evolving Bloomberg for VP drum beat that’s started. He’s even being touted as a possible VP for either BO or McCain. Maybe Bloomberg’s switch from republican to independent had more meaning to it than we realized. A major power struggle going on behind the scenes amongst the power elite. BO is just their cover.
I’d say BO is definitely in store for a possible September surprise and most definitely an October surprise from the GOP, once the DNC has completed its internal coup at the Convention in Denver.
Umm. Just looking at those two “women” I would think would be enough to turn anyone into a Republican.
The two “women” I mentioned are those in the t-shirt still photos.
Juanita,
You write as deliciously as you look. Thanks for this article. All the best.
Verbal
Seeing how you all are such new McCain supporters, it’s time you start buying the appropriate accouterments to go along with it. Just be glad you don’t have to limit yourself to that measly selection of items the Dems have — the Reps have a superstore of their “classy” wares:
http://www.republicanmarket.com/
Just be sure not to miss this lovely item:
http://www.republicanmarket.com/store/item/21174.Arkansas.Village.Idiot.Button
Knock yourselves out!
I too am so sick of seeing Obama’s mug everywhere. T used to do it all the time, but I stopped visiting there when she went for BHO.
I am also very grateful you speak truth to power when you remind us that Kerry was indeed considering (begging) McCain to be his VP!
Keep up the good work - especially this talking point. It is vital for those of us who want to vote McCain in the GE.
Also keep reminding peeps that Michelle said she would not vote for Hillary (implied, whatever), so why do PUMAs like me have to justify voting for McCain, like it’s some sin or something.
Michelle’s comments and McCain as Dem Veep: two of the best talking points.
Thanks again for your courage and great writing.
I believe the outfit with the crotch snaps has been mistakenly identified as an outfit for infants. In fact, these outfits are designed for adults that are now fully accustomed to a diet of Obama pap. Because Obama’s food for thought is so devoid of moral and intellectual fibre, the speed at which the pap flies through the system forces his supporters to be eternally vigilant.
mark,
you just don’t get it, do you? The women who post here are fed up with the rampant misogyny that BO never once protested against and the media promoted against Hillary on a daily basis. Of course, he was always willing to speak out against racism!
He is viewed as a total hypocrite by the wome he has betrayed. All he cares about is himself. If you guys thing that women are going to come back to the party, in spite of the the sexism allowed by BO, the DNC patriarchy and the media — dream on.
The way women feel right now towards BO, I expect the DNC to manipulate the voting machines to favor BO, because without the support of women, he doesn’t have a chance.
It’s time that women stood up and asserted their power. After all, we represent 52 percent of the population. That is a “majority” and in a democracy, that means women’s voices will be heard.
No BO, EVER!
K. Wynne said on 17 Jun 2008 at 7:44 am
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You NAILED it!
KWynne and Princess…I’ve heard mention of this guy Soros in other comment sections, but not anything (although I haven’t read everything!) on the Soros connection. What’s his connection to Ohblahma? I mean I get that its the $$ but why don’t we hear about this connection? Rezco we know is crooked, what’s the scoop on Soros?
“politis” is the Greek word for citizen Pittas is my last name therefore I am “citizen Pittas” and the Citizenship value stands there to remind the French Revolution and the era of enlightenment which gave our modern world the chance to resist against the terror of churches and establish civil rights. The US election is not only an American issue. I believe you understand that. Decisions taken in Washington have a great impact everywhere. We in Europe have a very strong interest on what will happen in November. We in Europe and I mean the vast majority we don’t want to see another 5 years of Bush policies we want a strong America but not an Empire. You need to ask yourself WHY Barack Obama is so popular in Europe. You need to think about that. You need to go into the depths and project in your minds today’s profile of the US. The worst ever. Why? I bet you know why. Wars, hypocrisy, environment, poverty. Do I say that the USA is the only guilty for these ? No I don’t. But still, America is the one and only super power in our world so the portion of responsibility is the biggest. Obama’s candidacy wont change many things if he is elected. But, the symbolisms he carries are extremely precious for a world that seems hopeless and helpless. Is he a…Brand? He is a brand ok. As Tony Blair was a brand. And as George Bush Junior was. A “Brand” always reflects needs. Needs of society, needs of economy, and needs of the future. But he is not a man created from Image Makers. No one can teach someone the charisma. You need to have it. No one can make you inspirational. You need to be one. And to be honest with you guys I cannot believe that you are “a team of Democrats”…Your thoughts your posts your aesthetics, well guys I think you are a team of provokers, nothing more nothing less. You don’t propose. You only oppose. You don’t talk politics. You don’t have political thinking. You are only undermining Obama. I mean you thing you do so. By the way, Al Gores endorsement was brilliant. Because it was fully political and not sentimental. George Bush was the worst president ever. If you are Democrats (as you claim) close this ridicules site and support your party to win in Novembers elections, help your country to gain back some dignity again.
imustprotest,
I urge you to research Soros and also Zbigniew Brezinski. Both who support BO. Both men are dangerous:
Here are some links:
Soros has known Obama, at least, since 2004:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977
How Soros funded Obama’s campaign:
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/05/30/how-soros-financed-obamas-campaign.html
“Brezinski-Soros plan to seize the Democratic presidential nomination through the domestic equivalent of a color revolution or people power coup.”:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/02/392252.html
Soros buys millions of shares of Halliburton stock:
http://larouchepac.com/news/2008/06/12/obamas-british-funder-george-soros-profiteer-bushs-war.html
Most Americans only get their information from the main stream media, which is merely a propoganda tool for the corporations which control our government. If the media wasn’t under corporate control, they would be reporting on the reasons why these men’s role are supporting a totally incompetent, inexperienced, narcistic newcomer with a razor think resume and no real accomplishments to be the most powerful person in the world.
Believe me, keeping BO out of the White House is essential to preserving the sovereignty of the United States and preventing these men from using the power of the U.S. to assert a “one world government”.
George I don’t know what post you’re responding to, your comment has nothing to do with this post.
George must be Arianna Huffington’s brother.
OMG just what drugs to these people take? It can’t be just kool aid that turns brains to much like the ‘george’ post above - who closes with a call to ‘gain back dignity’ - below your post showing the new ODM’s total lack of same. Not to mention his (too typical) lack of sentence structure, grammar or correct spelling (”ridicules site,etc”. Get a grip George and get into rehab while you have any brain cells left living.
We ought to just start calling this group what THEY ARE - not the true Democratic party at all. They are ODM!
ODM is the Orange Democratic Movement, which started in Kenya with odinga, the mass murdering cousin of obama’s who terrorized his way into the PM slot of the democracy he decimated there - which obama wrongfully used US Senate visa to go there and campaign for in 2006, inciting Kenyans with accusations of govt. corruption and telling the people to fight for “Change” - just as he’s since been doing here. Anyone can look up the “Change” ODM has brought to Kenya - rapes, murders, burned churches, riots, economic ruin - just a brief synopsis.
We should all just start calling them what they are:
ODM for odinga (un)democratic “movement”)
ODM for obama (un)democratic “movement”-
because they are the same. Just happens Kenya has more machetes, while US has more computers - terror tactics, secret agreements, phony campaign promises, bribed or intimidated officials, stirring up the masses with false claims and accusations, etc. etc.
IT IS THE SAME MOVEMENT: ODM, so let’s start calling it what it is! The more we use this term, the more people will get curious and start to investigate for themselves, the relationship between odinga, obama and worldwide terrorist network- operating covertly to downfall democracy FROM THE INSIDE OUT.
Now odinga is coming to US in his falsely ‘negotiated’ role as Kenya’s Prime Minister. The President is still the representative there of the majority of the people. But who gets to come to US in ‘official role” to negotiate new relations (dangerous ones) with the US? ODM odinga!
MSM supression of this trip - only one cover story by MSM connected Brit paper…odinga has no ‘official scheduled meetings with obama’ blah blah blah.
Only photo in this release, odinga smiling as he holds up a small child - isn’t that sweet? The KNOWN MASS MURDERER OF non Muslim Kenyans - instigator of rape and pillage across his own homeland - son of a communist- signed Sharif agreement with Muslim Nation group to help him take over country - posing behind a little child! Remind you of anyone we know?
All who are able ought to dig up more info on odinga’s forthcoming US NATIONAL SECURITY DANGER mission to our country. Google just shows the 1 Guardian cover piece. No one in US MSM reporting - total supression. Rest of world got constant news on the violence against democracy in Kenya - but not US. Ask why?!
So, please let’s start calling bo’s camp what they are - the US ODM party! If you start it here, I’ll spread the links and it will catch on.
Barack Obama - Multiple Personality Disorder( LIAR BAMBOOZLER AND
PLAIN FUCKING STOOPID)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cnbl_2AbSU&eurl
jmk,
To be fair to “George” you should allow him some grammar and spelling mistakes. English is probably his fourth language, which is likely three more than you.
Typical of the ignorance, intolerance and hate around here.
Al Gore, most Hillary supporters and most of the swing states in BO’s camp already. What’s a bitter republican to do these days?
Go to rezkowatch for info on Soros. Check all the Obama blogs listed at justsaynodeal.com for info on Soros. Soros is a native Hungarian Jew who, at 14, pretended to be a relative of a Nazi to escape the extermination camps. This was the survival tactic his father supposedly taught him. I think he is amoral and power hungry. Soros became a billionaire in Europe and is behind the oligarchic movements in European countries. He is now a British resident/perhaps citizen and is the power behind the “hostile takeover of the American Democratic Party,” as one video blogger said (keep checking all the pre-Hillary/PUMA/just say no deal sites and you’ll find it).
Soros is behind the Karl Rove/GOP campaign to nominate BO to keep Hillary out of the WH, and then trounce BO in November. Corporate billionaires like Soros have steadily chipped away at democracy for years in their successful attempts to promote/force fascism in Europe and America. Corporations plus governments create fascism, in which a very small group of the wealthy and corrupt politicians run the country.
Soros has funded Democrats and Republicans alike. The more we can tell the American voters about him, the better they will understand our passionate desire to take back/stabilize the Democratic Party of FDR, WJC and HRC. BO is nothing more than a puppet for the Soros backed DNC and Howard Dean, who are puppets of Soros.
It is amazing how well Hillary has done in the face of media/GOP/DNC/Chicago/big money corruption. Follow the money. Follow Soros, Auchi, Khalid, Alsammarae, Odinga, the IL Combine and you’ll see how it all fits.
I really don’t think you should compare Obama with Kerry. Kerry really was off the deep end when it came to Veep nominees. He ultimately picked republican-light Lieberman, who has done no favors for the democratic party.
Obama has made it clear that if it isn’t from his campaign it isn’t sanctioned. If this is the biggest critiques you can come up with, Obama is doing fine.
Look at Mccain who is a faux centrist if you actually look at his record. He is for overturning the right to privacy via strict constructionist judges. That is why independent and republican women for choice are rejecting Mccain. Having a 0% rating by NARAL is not indicative of a moderate. He has a pro-life voting record while voting NO against funding comprehensive sex education and birth control to reduce teen pregnancy. This is irresponsible. If one is truly pro-life you will do everything possible to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
Mccain votes against raising the minimum wage, wants to reverse the ban on drilling for oil messing with the coasts’ tourism economy. Do you really think drilling more will lower prices when the demand for oil globally will continue to rise? If we repealed the ban this moment we wouldn’t see any of it for at least 5 years.
Mccain was wrong on the Gas tax holiday, which was a bogus attempt to pander to voters while endangering our infrastructure funding.
In 2003, he was against Bush’s tax cuts, and then flipflopped and supported these unsustainable tax cuts for the rich in 2006.
Mccain also voted no to investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan in 2005 even though there was evidence of waste and misuse of our hard earned taxes by military contractors. Mccain also voted to authorize this war even though 21 of his fellow senators found real problems with the intelligence reports. He did not ask the right questions nor did he have the courage to vote to do the right thing.
Mccain is taking 300k from a former Texas Gubernatorial candidate who compared rape to bad weather (ie. you might as well lay there and enjoy it) and called Ann Richards various sexist things. So if you are a fan of guilt by association, you have to take that seriously.
If pictures are worth a thousand words you can see Obama actually caring about the flood victims and is on the scene helping with sand bags. While you can say that these are just photo ops, Mccain is no where to be found.
“you just don’t get it, do you? The women who post here are fed up with the rampant misogyny that BO never once protested against and the media promoted against Hillary on a daily basis. ”
Look. Hillary Clinton should be able to handle whatever comes her way because she herself claimed that was one of her virtues. It would be sexist to presume a woman couldn’t defend herself and fight her own battles. How feminist is it to look to men for protection?
If you want to prove that you are feminists and care about womens’ issues you will prevent Mccain from being president for his policies have nothing to offer women and he will get rid of our reproductive rights of our daughters and granddaughters. How is voting Mccain upholding feminism. What has he done for us — ever?
If you care about women’s rights you will work against Mccain.
That video is beyond horrifying. I have posted my own rant about it here:
http://hillaryorbust.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-wont-sleep-with-obamabots.html
Sorry Marin, NO CAN DO. Respectful and fair treatment to all women, not just black women is vitally mportant to me. Denigration of white women of a certain age and economic group was the hallmark of Obamas primary campaign And we are gone forever. Not only that we are out discussing with 20 and 30 year olds we know all of the lies and corruption associated with Obama. Hopefully we can convince many more to vote for McCain.
Marin,
Please explain to me why BO can lecture the country about racism and how wrong it is, but Hillary should just take all the vile sexist attacks railed against her on a daily basis, which, BTW, had absolutely nothing to do with her policy proposals or her qualifications to be President. Were BO attacked about his race 1/3rd as much as they spewed sexist attacks against Hillary, he would have folded like a deck chair. BO was NEVER expected to handle anything. He was always propped up by the DNC patriarchy and a fawning press. How is that fair and why did he deserve such respect and Hillary didn’t?
Of course, Dean and the DNC tripped all over themselves to defend BO against any hint of a racist attack, but never uttered a word when a distinguished 2-term Senator and former First Lady was attacked daily by the “boyz in the media”.
Even Katie Couric publicly stated how badly Hillary was treated by the press and then she was attacked for stating the truth!
I’m about a woman’s rights not to have to put up with this kind of shit in every level of society every friggin day. Women are much more than just their uteruses and we care about other issues besides Roe v. Wade. Like an experienced person running the country, not another arrogant puppet being controlled by the likes of Soros and Brezinski.
I suggest you watch this video clip of one of Hillary’s supporters explaining why she is voting for McCain and not BO. She speaks for millions:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/
I am a feminist and I disagree that Hillary Clinton bore the brunt of the attacks during this primary. Obama not only endured racist attacks, but a widespread baseless rumor that he is a Muslim. Clinton didn’t hardly come to his defense saying that she didn’t think he was Muslim, instead of saying “Hell no, he is Christian.” The press has been terrible to both candidates, when it can bring eyeballs to the teevees.
I just don’t buy this. Before Iowa, Hillary Clinton was lauded as the sure thing for the presidency. She did so well in New York and states with a democratic party machine. so I don’t buy that the DNC didn’t respect her. Our local democratic super delegates, Woolsey and Migden stuck with Clinton even though their districts came out for Obama more than any district in California. Clinton had the DNC, the media, and the people until she didn’t get it done in Iowa. She had to get Iowa. Clinton was, is , and will always be part of the DNC machine.
We may be more than uteruses, but the republican party believes you have NO RIGHT to make decisions for yourself in terms of reproduction or who you love. They want to overturn Greenwald v. Connecticut which held that you cannot make birth control illegal to married couples. Do you understand that it isn’t just about abortion, but your ability to keep people out of your bedroom? Its about a supreme court who can overturn rulings separating church and state? The Supreme Court is more about uteruses, but about our ability to protect ourselves against government and corporations.
This primary brought out the sexists and the racists. It shouldn’t have been surprising. The bulk of supporters on each side had sincerely liked their candidates and their ideas for their countries. Clinton supporters worried about Obama’s experience, and Obama supporters worried about Clinton’s divisiveness. There are Obama supporters who like him for his eloquence, just as there are Clinton supporters who are just voting for her because they liked Bill and the prosperity of her husband’s administration.
The DNC decided not to back the “experience candidates” like Dodd (probably a good thing due to recent news of unusual loans), Biden, and Richardson. The DNC decided on backing their superstars instead who were comparatively less experienced. So I reject that the DNC disrespected her. They gave her all the advantages and it was her race to lose and she did.
obama is a muslim, was born a muslim, his whole family in kenya are muslims, and he is a liar about saying he isnt. instead of being proud of his religious heritage, he tries to hide it and lie about it. all the lying he is doing makes him forget what the truth is on any given day. defend him all you want to, it doesnt change the truth about him. america is not going to elect him and john mccain will win by a landslide. america first, party affiliation second…….justsaynodeal.com
marin,
If you think he received equal treatment by the press as Hillary and attacked him equally as bad, then please produce a video that shows the same kind of treatment of Obama that are shown in this compilation of clips from the main stream media in their ongoing attacks on Hillary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM
We have more important issues than worrying about all the racist baiting the media has done and the false perpetual rumor that Obama is a Muslim. Fox News called Michelle a “baby mamma” (where were the Clinton supporters who claim to be feminists?) There was the bogus “terrorist fist jab” between Barack and his wife. The right press calls him Hussein and has mistakenly called him Osama. There are unfounded rumors being circulated in the mainstream media of a bogus “whitey” tape. The mainstream media made too much out of Obama’s church and shows how they and citizens who make too much out of this are out of touch when it comes to real problems we face.
If you let yourselves get caught up in these wedge issues, you will miss out in solving real problems that effect us all. When you talk about Rev. Wright you show you don’t have your priorities right. Our priorities should be the economy, global warming, being in two wars, and what we need to do for our children. If you are not talking about real issues, you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Okay-first of all after reading Mrs. Obamanation’s thesis I have no doubt that there are probaly many tapes out there with her ranting with Farrakhan about how bad ‘whitey’ is. She wrote it all down, her entire philosophy and attitude toward whites is in that paper. Secondly, Obama and his people are now doing in the General election what they did to steal the nomination. Citing bogus polls, making statements like “we don’t need Florida and Ohio to win”(Wow, if any other candidate’s people said that there would be non stop MSM coverage but of course the other candidate can’t hide behind race) counting up the electoral votes to see which states they have to ‘fix’ in order to win. Thirdly, BO isn’t going to do s..t for anybody but himself and his dirty Chicago buddies once he gets into the WH. Lastly, get it through your vapid, brainwashed heads, it’s either Clinton or McCain, not the radical Marxist.
Look Let’s be honest. The Clinton campaign wrote off all caucus states and states with AA, and focused on states where she had the DNC machine available. All candidates focus on the most states they can and cut their losses in states they think they have a chance. It is obvious that the republicans are writing off California due to their plan to ram drilling off our shores.
Obama’s plan actually includes far more states than the Clinton campaign has, and perhaps Mccain. Obama is closer to the 50 state plan than any candidate. The Clinton’s math on delegates excluded all caucus states, what’s up with that?
Provide proof that Obama stole the election. He followed the rules the DNC laid out. The thing is this primary election was Hillary Clinton’s to lose and she ran a sloppy campaign and lost.
CATHNEALON
There is a difference between you and me. You use speculation cite others’ speculation to build your case. You speculate based on the fallacies of guilt by association, slippery slope, ad hominum, appeals to emotion, and wrong direction.
I am arguing that no matter how you feel about Barack Obama, the republican party has prove empirically that they will act in a manner that is bad for our country. The republican party and their candidate have proven themselves unworthy to govern our country. The experience they have has been toxic to our country — Iraq, Katrina, lax consumer protection, failed energy policy, failed foreign policy, failed economic policy, terrible monetary policy and non-proliferation policy. The low approval ratings show that Americans agree that things are bad.
I am not brainwashed - I simply care about real issues that will effect my child’s future. I think that these wedge issues are created by the republican party because they are adrift and this is their hail Mary pass after countless years of failure. Even REPUBLICANS know they have a crappy candidate and a party that lacks relevance.
Barack Obama has done better for our country than the republican party in fighting for our veterans, getting toxics out of products from China, getting automakers to create cars with better MPG, and working with republicans to create more accountability and transparency in government and in non-proliferation. I compared his legislative record with Clinton’s and found his solutions go deeper. For instance, where Clinton would make labeling voluntary, Obama would make it mandatory.
The following article features a real great comparison between Obama and Clinton that proves there are substantive reasons to support Obama. http://tinyurl.com/32j2q7
Barack Obama is the best candidate for our children, our environment, our foreign policy, our economy. He may not solve all our problems, but nothing in his background shows that he is going create more problems. He has his head on straight, doesn’t whine about the attacks but soberly counters them.
“Let’s be honest”
That’s impossible with the candidate or anyone associated with him, so let’s forget that.
“Let’s be honest”
That’s impossible with the candidate or anyone associated with him, so let’s forget that.
You are make presumptions about me that are wrong, so it is possible that you are wrong about the rest of us. Again, you are not addressing real issues, are you?
Barack has done better than who, doing what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj4VK9wVAi0
Can you name any of his legislative accomplishments?
Hell, anyone can talk about what they plan to do, but what has he done to give any indication that he is more than just talk?
Actions speak louder than “just words”.
I have listed his accomplishments and posted an excellent side by side analysis of both Clinton and Obama. I have also explained my rather reasonable expectations of his presidency and the average citizens’ role in creating change. I have been far more reasonable than what has been posted on this site. I have not relied on fallicies, hate, or specualtion. Just look at my posts and then compare them with what others have said.
You post youtube, which anybody with a lot of time on their hands can make a youtube vid. I looked at the actual record and relied on sources that use the actually library of congress and the congressional record. That is far more reliable than youtube, don’t you think?
Obama has worked to create positive change legislatively and his legislation goes deeper than Clinton or the republican party. We have given the republican party ample opportunity to show what they can do and they have shown us that they are incompetent. You are right, actions do speak louder than words, so why are you going to let a republican win — unless you embrace the republican party goals and have all along…
@Marin Maven
Hi, forgive my english i’m from abroad
“I simply care about real issues that will effect my child’s future” , “Might I remind people that there are more weighty things to be concerned about?” (from another comment)
I’m afraid I disagree with you. You may be wrong with the important issues. It seems you’re pretty new on this web site (am I wrong?), so why not taking a look at the “content ” page below the header image. It seems to me that it is always valuable to understand somebody’s opinion before and in order to fight them eventually.
May I recommend you some articles?
- Hussein. The Fear Bomb. Your Freedoms, and Your White Guilt.
(http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=172)
- Obama Has Contempt for America (http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=207)
- Wright, his Values, and Preaching Hate (http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=214)
- understanding Obama and Wright, (part 2) Obama’s Mind. (http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=158)
-understanding Obama and Wright, (part 3) They Cannot Be White.
(http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=159)
Personnally, I think the problem in France and in Europe is the victimized, hateful, anti-occident muslim minorities and the self-hate among whites that goes together… If Europe (at least) face one big political and ideological threat in the future, it’s this one. Should I remind you that apart from the occidental world in general, no one will stand up for human rights in this world. Just look at the incredible hypocrisy of the arab world. Do you think they really care for discrimination, racism, colonialism, even slavery? Just look at what happens there with the black migrants workers. You know how they call blacks between themselves? Abd (extremely pejorativ term meaning slave)… It doesn’t prevent them all the time from crying against racism and playing the victim or the race card. Why do I bother you with arabs? It’s the same victim mentality, the same hatred for the west and what it represents, its culture, its values… that we can find in Obama and some of his followers (Obama on His Racial Awareness (5) His “Homeland” - http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=311)
and it just breed more violence, more hatred. This is a worldwide phenomenon and I tell you, if it doesn’t stop, we’re going to have ethnic conflicts in Europe again. For me, the election of a West/american hating candidate is a very very bad sign and I don’t want any precedent as an example for the rest of the western world.
For the republican party and all the bad it had done, again I disagree. _ Mc Cain is a very centrist candidate who doesn’t really fit in the stereotypes the republican party is usually associated with.
_ Why do you believe so full-heartedly that Obama is so good for AMerican’s economy, american’s future? On “important issues” as you say, he didn’t strike me at all as being credible. I agree pretty much with jeff’s analysis (http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=208)
A bon entendeur salut
marin,
you’re speaking in platitudes. No specifics (just like obama).
Ideas are great but they have absolutely no meaning if you don’t have any real experience of having worked to transfer them into “reality. Giving good speeches is just not enough to qualify one for the most complex and difficult job in the world. I dare say, were obama a black woman with the exact same credentials, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion right now.
I have seen no evidence of obama having had to work hard for anything. He’s an excellent front man (just like GW was for the neocons) for a number of dangerous power elites, who are literally trying to buy the presidency, so that they can dictate policies that are intended to promote a “one world government”.
I will do whatever I can to make certain obama never gets to the oval office simply because I don’t want George Soros or Zbigniew Brezinski destroying America. Both of these guys have no interest in democracy. Do a little research and find out for yourself. Obama has surrounded himself with people who will eventually destroy him, as well as America.
Obama Hides Behind Rev. Joseph Lowery-Literally
This pair of fundraising letters really was full of ironies…
Which I point out….
http://tinyurl.com/48xaj3
“I simply care about real issues that will effect my child’s future” , “Might I remind people that there are more weighty things to be concerned about?”
Well, I’m concerned that young girls are being brought up in a world where videos like Obama Girl and this one are being put forward by the so-called “progressives” of the nation.
It’s the very attitude displayed in this video that contributed to Hillary’s demise. It’s quite clear that many young male “progressives” seem women more as sexual objects than leaders they can look up to and respect. And Obama certainly doesn’t help that view with his use of the word “Sweetie” and his copies of Maxim on his private jet.
Excuse me, that should be:
It’s quite clear that many young male “progressives” SEE women more as sexual objects than leaders they can look up to and respect.
Great point–they have to get the male vote somehow-sexualizing women is as good a way as any.
Obamaites are out in force! Somethings up! (or down like his poll numbers!) Usual talking points…roevwade, yadayada, now the latest, “Hillary was treated fairly…she was considered inevidable..” Then they yadayada that Obama was the one who was treated badly!! Then they finish off with: If you really were a feminist (used to be democrat) then you would stand 10 paces behind…opps I mean stand with Barry and defeat the evil McCain!!!!! yadayada
You can never learn too much about the man you’re supporting:
He has an aesthetic sensibility: His formerly beautiful, but later misshapen first wife Carol (who had the indignity of ruining her looks in a car crash, and then there was that funny limp — yuck!) just wasn’t good enough for our war hero, so of course it was obvious he would need another beautiful woman at his side, second wife Cindy.
He’s humorous: A real sidesplitter from him at a Republican fundraiser “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”
He’s sensitive: When his second wife Cindy kidded him in front of campaign staff about his thinning hair, McCain, simply overwhelmed by a surge of emotion, responded openly, “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.”
With qualities like these, it’s obvious we won’t have to worry about our next President living up to G. W. Bush’s high moral standard!
BTW (on a non-snarky note) the demonization of Soros is laughable — he’s contributed several thousand dollars to Hillary Clinton over the years. Even to McCain back in 2000. Who’s left for you to support?
K. Wynne - I at least give you points for at least having an objection based on policy and issues. I would be interested in your thoughts why you think George Soros or Brezinski are going to destroy America. That is a huge charge. Whereas the republican party really did serious and lasting damage to our country and our place in the world.
I have never heard Obama or any of his campaign or volunteers say anything close to one world government. That is kinda goofy.
What do you mean one world government? Are you one of those United Nations haters?
Hi Juanita: Great Post. To you Obamabots, go fuck yourselfs. Your as dirty as your boss is. Disgusting pigs.
Larry Sinclair issued this today and was arrested in DC. Hope the poor guy lives long enough in jail. You know Obama and his handlers are going to do him in just like Donald Young.
Just in:
PRESS STATEMENT OF LARRY SINCLAIR
JUNE 18, 2008
Good afternoon, my name is Larry Sinclair and I am a former recreational drug user and trafficker, a convicted felon for crimes of forgery, bad checks and theft by check. I am also an American who loves this country and I cannot stay silent regarding Barack Obama knowing what I know.
Today I will discharge my obligation as a citizen to witness this knowledge to you and raise questions for others to investigate and consider. I am going to briefly describe my background, my experience with Senator Obama in 1999, what appears to me to be a coordinated effort to discredit me and finally a list of questions. After this brief statement, I will take and try to answer any reasonable questions.
Background
I am 46 years old and I currently reside in Duluth, MN. I am a US Citizen, and I have made mistakes in my lifetime. I have been convicted and served prison sentences for writing bad checks, forging checks, using stolen credit card numbers in Arizona, Florida and Colorado. These event’s occurred over twenty (20) years ago between 1980 thru 1986. After going public on the internet with these claims against Senator Obama earlier this year, I became aware of a warrant out of Florida from 1986 which I have resolved and it has now been dismissed. I also have an active “Colorado Only” warrant for alleged “Theft and Forgery”. I am not ignoring this warrant but am addressing it with the Court in Colorado as well as with the DA’s office. I have a pending motion to dismiss this warrant which I am waiting to have calendared by the Colorado Court.
I have lived and worked under three different names. My birth name is Lawrence W. Sinclair. Later on, I had my name legally changed first to La-Rye A. Silvas, and then La-Rye Vizcarra Avila. The last two were legal name changes granted by the court in Penal County Superior Court, Florence Arizona. I legally returned to my birth name in the Fremont County District court, Canon City, Colorado in 1997.
Obama Incident
I flew out of Colorado Springs, Colorado to Chicago on November 2, 1999, arriving in O’Hare early in the morning of November 3, 1999. I went to the Chicago area to attend the graduation of my god son (my best friend’s son) from basic training from the Great Lakes Navy Training Center. I made reservations at the Comfort Inn and Suites in Gurnee, IL based on location to the Navy Training center. On November 5, 1999, I hired the services of Five Star Limo. I had hired them for both November 5 and November 6. On November 6, 1999, I asked the limo driver – whose name I now reveal for the first time – Paramjit Multani, if he knew anyone who would like to socialize and show me Chicago. Paramjit Multani understood that I was not looking for someone who knew Chicago and would enjoy socializing. Paramjit Multani said he knew someone who was a friend of his.
On November 6, 1999 after picking me up at the Hotel in Gurnee– and this is significant – Paramjit Multani used his cellphone to make a call. That call was made to then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama to set up an introduction between me and Senator Obama. Upon arriving at the bar and exiting the Limo, Senator Obama was standing next to Paramjit Multani and I was introduced to Senator Obama. Later that evening at a bar which I believe was called Alibis, I mention I could use a line or two to wake up. Senator Obama asked me if I was referring to “coke” and after stating I was, Obama stated he could purchase cocaine for me and then made a telephone call – and this too is significant — from his cellphone to a presently unknown individual during which Senator Obama arranged the cocaine purchase.
Senator Obama and I then departed the bar in my limousine and proceeded to an unknown location where Senator Obama exited the limousine with two hundred fifty dollars ($250) I had given him and returned a short while later with an “eightball” of cocaine which he gave to me. I did ingest a couple of lines of cocaine, and shortly thereafter Senator Obama produced a glass cylinder pipe and packet of crack cocaine from his pants pocket and Obama smoked the crack cocaine. I performed fellatio on Senator Obama in the limousine during the time Senator Obama was smoking crack cocaine, after which I had the driver take me to the my hotel, The Comfort Suits, Gurnee, Illinois.
The following day, November 7, 1999, Senator Obama appeared at my hotel room where we again ingested cocaine and I again performed fellatio on Senator Obama. Significantly, both the driver’s telephone call to Senator Obama and his call to the drug dealer should appear on the driver’s and Senator Obama’s cellphone billing statements.
Fall 2007
In September 2007 I contacted the Presidential Campaign of Barack H. Obama, to request solely that Senator Obama publicly correct his stated drug use record to reflect his use of crack cocaine with me in November 1999. When I made that first contact I left with the Presidential Campaign of Senator Barack H. Obama a telephone number for the campaign to return my call. The first number I provided was a Texas cell phone number. From the period of Labor day weekend 2007 through November 18, 2007 I did rovide a total of four (4) different call back numbers to the Obama campaign, as I had moved and had changed the numbers to reflect locally my place of residence at the time. In late September to early October 2007, I received a call from a male who identified himself as a “Mr. Young” stating he was calling in regards to calls I had made to the Obama campaign. This first call was in fact an attempt by “Mr. Young” to obtained from me the identities of anyone I had contacted concerning my 1999 allegations against Senator Obama. This first called shocked me in that this “Mr. Young” asked me why I had not asked Senator Obama to disclose the sexual encounters I had with Mr. Obama in 1999. I was shocked as I had never mentioned to the campaign or anyone working for the campaign any sexual encounters as my call was prompted by drug allegations only. The call ended with “Mr. Young” stating I would hear from someone in a few days.
In mid to late October 2007, I received a second call from this “Mr. Young” at which time I clearly became aware that this individual was personally involved with Senator Obama rather than just an employee of his campaign. The tone of the conversation had a sexual nature. “Mr. Young” did not once advise me how he obtained my phone number which by this time had now changed to a Delaware number.
In late October 2007, I received a text message from the gentleman identified as “Mr. Young” in which he stated he was intimately involved with Senator Obama and that Obama was discussing with him and his pastor how to publicly acknowledge Senator Obama’s drug use in 1999 and that Obama wanted to be sure I had not discussed the sexual encounters or drug incidents with any media at that time.
In mid to late November 2007, in another text message from “Mr. Young” , he advised me that Senator Obama will publicly correct his statement as to he last time he used drugs and I did not need to concern myself with publicly disclosing it myself. The last contact I had with “Mr. Young” was in early December 2007 when he made it clear to me that Senator Obama had no intentions of publicly acknowledging his 1999 use of crack cocaine and that “Mr. Young” was in fact doing nothing more than milking information from me for Senator Obama’s use.
I later learned that a Donald Young was the choir director of Reverend Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ – Obama’s now-former church — and was openly a homosexual. I also learned that he was murdered on December 23, 2007. I have cooperated with the Chicago Police Department in this matter by providing them the telephone numbers I was using during the fall of 2007 and I release them now publically in the hope that someone may be able to connect the dots between these telephone numbers and Mr. Young. Those numbers are: 954-758-1105; 956-758-1885; 956-758-8002; 302-685-7175; 612-466-1043.
2008
In what I now realize was a naive and un-counseled decision, I posted in January 2008 a video on YouTube.com where I related the above information regarding my liaisons with Senator Obama in 1999. The response was overwhelming and I quickly became the recipient of what in hindsight appears to have been a coordinated attack on my character with ever increasing falsehoods circulating on the internet.
In response I agreed to take a polygraph test from Whitehouse.com. The results of that test have been partially revealed to the end of labeling me a liar and taken as gospel by all. I would like to make the following comments about that polygraph test. First, I have been subsequently advised that Whitehouse.com was a website dedicated to anti-Clinton pornography until earlier this year. Second, I have now come to understand that lie detectors are junk science at best which is why courts of law refuse to use them. Third, a review of the results by George W. Maschke, Ph.D. of AntiPolygraph.org raises serious questions about the legitimacy of the examination. Indeed, overlooked by almost everyone is that hitehouse.com’s own examiner, Dr. Gordon Barland, observed that on the drug question regarding Senator Obama that the computerized score found that there was less than a 1% probability of deception by me. That’s about as high a passing score as one can possibly attain.
Finally, in February 2008 I was told anonymously that Dan Parisi of Whitehouse.com received $750,000 from the Obama campaign through AKR Media to organize an effort to publically discredit me. When I confronted Dan Parisi with this allegation, he did not deny it but instead withdrew the second exonerating polygraph report of Dr. Gordon Barland, failed to post the video of my polygraph as he and Whitehouse.com promised they would do, and even removed posts from their web site altogether, claiming that they had “had enough of the attacks by Sinclair’s supporters and Sinclair himself.”
The polygraph results - as misrepresented – were immediately seized upon by the blogger community and I became the subject of vicious lies about me. I was forced to file a lawsuit in an attempt to stop those lies about me that have been circulating. That lawsuit sought to obtain the proof of what I was saying about my contact with Senator Obama through subpoenas for the identities of the anonymous bloggers so they could be linked to the Obama campaign and relevant records of the cellphone companies to prove the truth of my allegations. To date, though the lawsuit is now over ninety days old, Judge Kennedy has refused to permit the suit to move forward so this evidence may be obtained.
Conclusion
In sum, you can discredit my story and then make your decision on who should be the next President of the United States. The burden is now off me as I have told my story without the distortions that have been intentionally heaped on me in what my lawyer tells me is an ad hominem attack – shoot the messenger so you don’t have to hear the message he is bringing. I am now done. It is for others to find the corroborating evidence of my story by locating the limousine driver – Paramjit Multani – and the telephone numbers related to Donald Young and/or Senator Obama. I leave you with these questions that I have asked of Senator Obama but which he – who wants to be the next President of the United States – has refused to answer:
1. Why won’t Senator Obama provide his cellphone numbers and telephone records for all his personal and official cell phones held by him for the time period of November 3, 1999 thru November 8, 1999, when we met?
2. Why won’t Senator Obama provide his cellphone numbers and telephone records for all his personal and official cell phones held by Senator Obama or September 2007 – December 23, 2008, the murder of Donald Young?
3. Why won’t Senator Obama provide all email communication both personal and campaign related to and/or from AKP Message & Media from January 18, 2008 through February 29, 2008 for Senator Obama, David Axelrod and David Plouffe?
4. Why won’t Senator Obama provide proof of all payments made from AKP Message & Media, Obama for America, David Axelrod, David Plouffe, and Senator Obama’s accounts for the period of January 18, 2008 through February 29, 2008?
On my website – larrysinclair.org – you will find the documents that I have referred to in this statement. A copy of the home page for that website is attached. Thank you for your time and attention this afternoon and I will now take any questions.
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http://larrysinclair.org
“Well, I’m concerned that young girls are being brought up in a world where videos like Obama Girl and this one are being put forward by the so-called “progressives” of the nation.”
The Obama girl really wasn’t a supporter but someone who was self-promoting herself and knew exactly what she was doing. She didn’t even bother to show up to vote. She was promoting her album. Now she is doing a spoof video with Democratic darkhorse, Mike Gravel. I didn’t care for the video myself and saw it for what it was — someone trying to get their 15 minutes of fame via youtube — yawn.
As someone who has supported losers in numerous democratic primaries, it is just no big deal to accept that your person didn’t win. Numerous times it felt like my say didn’t count because the nomination would be figured by the time it got to California. I got bummed but I woke up and realized what my real choice was Dukakis or Bush Sr.. Dukakis over Gary Hart — what were the Democrats thinking? Yet I got over myself and voted against George Bush Sr., because he does not share my values. The republican party is against so much that I value that I am going to vote Dukakis.
Didn’t Larry Sinclair get arrested on an outstanding warrant today?
Didn’t Larry Sinclair flunk a lie detector test?
If Larry Sinclair is the best you can come up with that is pretty lame.
I am starting to think you are trying to do what the right wing did to the Clintons. Wow! What a legacy you are creating. Would your children be proud what you are posting? Really sad. So much hatred. Such very unhappy people I see here.
Even though your hatred is making you say outrageous things, the Buddhist way compels me to wish you happiness. Truly happy people don’t say such terrible things and don’t create a legacy of hatred. So I do wish you true happiness and liberation from such pain, anger, suffering, and hate.
Kathleen and Karen, thanks for the links on Soros and brief background. I think Marin might want to take a look at the links you’ve provided if he or she is really interested. What I find interesting about the current Obamabully arguments…since he’s the presumtive “nominee” (selectee), a status he achieved without saying or doing anything of substance…now they say that we who choose not to vote for him need to PROVE why he would be bad for the country..because afterall, he never said/did anything…. (right! he doesn’t say anything besides “change!”or do anything.. uhh.”present”.hello? he’s not qualified!)
Juanita Gonzales
Hey I’m not for Obama and I don’t meet many like me. will u go out on a date. I’ll send pics first
i sware i’m good looking and smart. I’m a independent with a little to the right views. man what I’d give to meet someone like u who thinks like u. I’m also writing a book about this years election. I have alot of tatts and look like I’d be a liberal but I’m more in the middle. Kinda like clinton but a little more to the right.
“Truly happy people don’t say such terrible things”
Who in God’s or Allah’s name programmed you.
I heard alot of anger and hatred in the crowd when BO’s followers booed and jeered during Gore’s endorsement rally at the mention of Clinton’s name. What kind of hypocritical crap are you shoveling? Get this, it’s Clinton or McCain, that’s the choice that’s been left us. So you can go on with your page long refutations that can’t touch JJJ on this site, if Chicago sleaze is on the ticket in November it’s McCain.
marin,
you definitely should research the candidate that you support and who is supporting him and why, before you draw any conclusions about who he is.
I have done so, and I found Hillary to be the most consistent in her policies and vision, as well as the most honorable of “all” of the other democratic candidates who ran in the primary. I didn’t choose to support Hillary just because she’s a woman, as many in the media and her male colleagues would have you believe. I found her to be the best and most qualified of the candidates and believed she had the know-how to deliver on her promises. Women aren’t given free passes and they are never allowed to make excuses, like the men who have been given when not delivering on their promises.
I also have college degree and make over $50,000 a year, so I don’t fit their stereotypical geographics either.
We also must not take “corruption” out of the equation when it comes to our government. No one, especially a newcomer like obama, who has a razor thin resume and no real accomplishments to speak of, would have the support from these power elites because of his “hope and change” message! Wake up, grow up and don’t be so damn naive!!
obama is so eaten up with ambition to be the first black president, that he has, IMO, sold his soul in order to achieve it.
Here’s a couple of links to give you some background on the two men I mentioned, Brezinski and Soros, who have put their total support behind obama:
jewagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/more-on-obamas-anti-israel-supporters/ - 25k -
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/10779 - 19k -
How Soros funded Obama’s campaign:
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/05/30/how-soros-financed-obamas-campaign.html
“Brezinski-Soros plan to seize the Democratic presidential nomination through the domestic equivalent of a color revolution or people power coup.”:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/02/392252.html
Soros buys millions of shares of Halliburton stock:
http://larouchepac.com/news/2008/06/12/obamas-british-funder-george-soros-profiteer-bushs-war.html
The fact that obama sought out and welcomed Soros’ and Brezinski’s support is very telling about his ambitions and contradicts his message of “new politics”. These guys are from the “old politics” he supposed to be against. Another significant contradiction that should not be dismissed.
Because of who these men are, I have no doubt that they are using obama to help place them in positions of great influence over American domestic and foreign policy (particularly foreign). Once he has served his purpose, they will get rid of him one way or another. It’s how they work.
After all, look what they did to JFK when he would not go along with the power elite.
Alternatively, the fact that these very same men are so against Hillary being president tells me that they don’t feel they can control her like they can obama, which is yet another reason I chose to support Hillary and still do.
I will never vote for obama, because in reality, I will be voting for Soros and Brezinski. I love my country too much to entrust it into their hands!
Marin–I assume you are from Marin County California, lucky you! Anywho you might want to consider the Baby Mama tag on Michelle stems from her own announcement from 2004 introducing Barack as ” her honey” “her man” ” her BABIES DADDY” the next senator from Illinois–yeah she brought that on herself. And the Roe v. Wade thing is obsolete in this day and time, to engage in uprotected sex is like playing Russian Roulette with all of the STD’s, what intelligent woman not in a monogamous relationship would not use a condom? Pregnancy is not the biggest fear anymore, try HPV or AIDS or Herpes. Oh yeah, Michelle didn’t want to HPV vaccine for young black girls, reminded her of the Tuskegee incident.
Wow! Are you really quoting Lyndon Larouche’s rag to back up your points? Talk about fringe. He spent 15 years behind bars and has been called an anti-semite, conspiracist who thinks OJ Simpson got a raw deal. He was also a booster of the doomed SDI program. While I find myself agreeing with his opposition to many wars from the 1980s on, I always got the feeling that we had different reasons behind the opposition.
Marin Maven said on 18 Jun 2008 at 4:43 pm 44K.
>>>>Wynne - I at least give you points for at least having an objection based on policy and issues. I would be interested in your thoughts why you think George Soros or Brezinski are going to destroy America. That is a huge charge. Whereas the republican party really did serious and lasting damage to our country and our place in the world.
I have never heard Obama or any of his campaign or volunteers say anything close to one world government. That is kinda goofy.
What do you mean one world government? Are you one of those United Nations haters?
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Marvin, why would Obama, his campaigners and supporters even slightly mention their connection to the One World Gov’t? Come on, you have to be much smarter than that. Seriously though, get real about these connections mentioned and the elites including the Rockefeller’s owner’s of Exxon!
Here is a link to a YouTube video to give you a clue as to the One World Government that has been in the works for decades! This is by no means a JOKE! It’s real and ALL of us are totally being played. It doesn’t pay to be a sheeple…
Get informed. Become aware of what’s going on behind the scenes. Learn to READ and HEAR between the lines.
http://tinyurl.com/3g7eqa
Here is a link to a docu-movie titled “Loose Change” via YouTube.
http://tinyurl.com/4thlkh
marin,
do you believe the main stream media is going to vet obama? They haven’t so far and that wouldn’t have anything to do with the media being corporate-controlled, now would it?
Also, before you draw conclusions about some of the larouche articles, he also backs it up with dates, times and places and there are other articles that also make similar assertions as larouche does about soros and brezinski. you can also research soros and brezinski yourself (something that would be refreshing for an obama supporter).
also, fyi, the progressive community has a long history of NEVER trusting the main stream media’s reporting! now that they are in the tank for obama, suddenly they are viewed as fair and honest and can be trusted to keep the people fully informed about the candidates?
how convenient. why don’t you check out the website “rezko watch”, which is conducting investigative reporting of obama and his relationship with tony rezko and other unsavory characters that have helped obama rise like a meteor in the most corrupt political machine in the country — the Daley political machine of chicago. don’t you think it odd that the main stream media has all but ignored that story?
don’t be like the majority of obama supporters and not make the effort to look for the truth and make certain that their guy isn’t bamboozling them. don’t drink the kool aid and believe that he is above reproach. don’t make that mistake.
after all, if he is as perfect as he presents himself, then there will be nothing “there there”, right?
check out brezinski and the trilateral commission and the council on foreign relations and his role with these organizations. check out soros relationship with them as well and see the similarities and connect the dots. a little critical analysis is necessary in being able to make a truly “informed” decision.
relying totally on the media and the obama website for all of the information about him is not how you’re going to learn anything, much less the truth.
I don’t understand why the embed provided by YouTube for my links above are not working? You’ll have to do it manually by copying and pasting in http://www.YouTube.com search.
911 Loose Change (full-length)
also
NORTH AMERICAN UNION & VCHIP TRUTH
I’m sorry about the links above… I’ve had a long day. I was linking you to an embed and not a URL… lol
Anyhoo, here are the url’s that will take you directly to these informational videos.
http://tinyurl.com/2ug2kg
and
http://tinyurl.com/34tjzd
“…It’s quite clear that many young male “progressives” seem women more as sexual objects than leaders they can look up to and respect. And Obama certainly doesn’t help that view with his use of the word “Sweetie” and his copies of Maxim on his private jet…”
Can you picture Obama and Michelle at the Presidential swearing in? After he takes his oath he’s gonna slap Michelle’s big fat ass again just like he did the night he declared himself the nominee.
He’s such an idiot.
I am not arguing that the mainstream is always right. I am arguing that you are relying on conspiracy sites and it undermines your credibility.
marin,
again, you overlook the other links, which do support what larouche has reported. also, you obviously haven’t taken the time to seek out more information on soros and brezinski which is being reported by many others besides larouche.
you can’t just pick one person you consider a conspiracy person and ignore the rest. do you really think it’s a conspiracy when the same thing is being reported from various sources?
“there is none so blind as those who will not see…”
have you checked out the “rezko watch.com” site? I would be curious if you would call them a conspiracy site as well.
The truth hurts, but it’s a whole lot better than the alternative.
I have read all the links and there are no fair or balanced sources. They are dubious sources. Give me some reputable sources. Reading the bios of Soros and Brezinski I am not sure what I am supposed to be concerned with. Who would you bring in as foreign policy advisers?
I see no there there. When you compare what you claim about Obama, it pales to the what Mccain and the Republican party aligns with. There is simply no comparison. With the republican party we can actually touch, see, feel the damage they have done and will do to this country.
Investigative reporters were all over the story about Rezko and found that there was no there there.
Why don’t I hear about the Keating 5 on this site? Or Clinton’s relationship with Chinese National and bundler Norman Hsu? How about the Phil Gramm as Mccain’s economic adviser who passed a bill in 1999 as Senator that allowed the suprime mess happen?
I have searched the net for what reputable sources have to say about your claims. I am a bit worried that you don’t seem to be very concerned about the biases or motives of the sources you cite. Are they credible? Are they funded by the RNC?
I am puzzled what you wanted Soros to do to avoid being gassed by the NAZIs. Would you have him admit that he was a Jew? What makes you qualified to question the choices of survival of a Jew when millions of Jews died in the hands of the Nazis? What would you do? I guess it is not within you to cut a holocaust survivor some slack.
marin,
do your own research. all you will do is continue to dispute everything that isn’t pro-obama.
you obviously haven’t read a thing about Soros and are again, spouting platitudes about his being a holocaust survivor. well, there’s more to that story, but you haven’t taken the time to check it out and i won’t continue to waste my time.
i will not vote for obama. period.
Btw, The Indymedia article is written by a Lyndon Larouche cohort and a 9/11 conspiracy guy. If you believe Webster G. Tarpley, this November doesnt matter since Cheney is planning to attack the US this Summer.
It seems there is a fringe fight between anti-Larouche and pro-Larouche conspiracists. I am not sure you want to connect yourselves to these people.
Find me reputable sources. Your arguments are only as good as your sources. So far you have not been very careful about the sources you use or bother to do any research on the sources you use.
I heard a lot of stories/scandals about Clinton that I checked into and refused to repeat because I think that credibility is important. I would rather stay quiet about speculation about my opponent because I would rather beat my opponent honestly and with honor.
MM
Go vote for Obama please, knock yourself out. You’re as unbelievable as he is. K and ijane and everyone else that has the time to research and tell the truth on this site could list a billion sources and it would still be not enough–ever have a child who joined a cult and then tried to deprogram him–impossible–go take a “consumption holiday” and “change the traditions, history and direction of America.” And now he’s come up with a rationalization for why he’s not taking public campaign funds-Jesus. What a hypocrite.
Marin Maven said on 19 Jun 2008 at 9:28 am 66
>>>I would rather stay quiet about speculation about my opponent because I would rather beat my opponent honestly and with honor.
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Thank you Marin Maven…. I really need to crack up right now! You have me OTF LMAO
Gee, that’s really disturbing about Kronos and their music on anything Excrement0 related.
I wrote to them through their website, inquiring if OVomit licensed that piece of music….curious to hear back…or not.
we’ll see
Kathleen, Karen and Princess, thanks again for the Soros links. I’ve also checked more into Soros and found he is imfamous for the destruction of the British pound. He’s a spectulator who bets against national currencies. He’s also credited with the devaluation of the Thai paht. Sounds like he is only interested in accumulating personal wealth, no matter what the cost to others. Does he hold allegience to any country? His philanthropic endeavors seem to condradict his monetary manipulations…don’t know, what do you think? A cover for his true desire (wealth/power) or ends justifying the means? Hyperhubris egomaniac? Any thoughts?
Juanita-”…A week ago, Obama Democrats were telling us that a vote for a Republican was tantamount to a vote against modernity. Never mind the fallacious simile, suggesting that McCain was the kind of Republican to whom such charges applied…”
Funny that! Today the ACLU told us that a vote for a Democrat means that we can all kiss our fourth amendment rights goodbye!
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/35740prs20080620.html
Thanks Ijane for posting this information! I can NOT believe the Democrats actually caved in… What a SHAME! We might as well be living in a dictatorship / communist country. This is no longer a democracy. Our civil liberties have been all but STRIPPED AWAY!
Here is the link to GovTrack: H.R. 6304: To amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to establish a procedure… (Vote On Passage) House Vote #437 — Jun 20, 2008
Result: Passed
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-437
“…We might as well be living in a dictatorship / communist country. This is no longer a democracy. Our civil liberties have been all but STRIPPED AWAY!…”
Funny you should say such a thing! This is the first time that I have ever seen obamabots actually show disapproval for something that their messiah has done. Maybe obamabots have some patriotism in them after all.
You got to read this!
New York Times June 20
The Great Seal of Obamaland?
http://tinyurl.com/3hmguk
I too am surprised that the New York Times had anything questionable to say about Obama.
That Great Seal was truly a bad move for Obama but also very revealing about the direction Obama’s Administration will be taking. and we thought Bush was bad… This puppet has everyone and their mothers pulling his strings!
yes princess I agree that obama is a puppet with everyone pulling his strings….but I doubt that includes their mothers! The moms are probably still trying to talk some sense into them!
imustprotest,
I think you hit the nail on the head regarding Soros’ intentions. I also think his philantropic edeavors are just cover for his real intentions. Otherwise, how could he have devalued the British pound or devalued the Thai paht, if his intentions were not self-serving.
I suspect he would like to use the power of the U.S. against the Israelies in some way. He, as well as Brezinski, are dangerous and we should do whatever we can to stop them from having direct access to the Oval office.
Also, keep an eye on Bloomberg, Mayor of NYC. There’s been a lot of talk under the radar screen about his being a potential VP pick for either McCain or Obama. I find it very interesting, not to mention, highly coincidental that Bloomberg changed his party affiliation to Independent not so long ago.
The power struggle that is indeed going on behind the scenes could be the “battle of the billionaires” to control the last great power on earth. In either event, “we, the people” and democracy will surely perish from this earth if the people don’t stand up and fight back.
K Wynne, I have been trying to find out more about the Soros and Brezinski connection to Obama since my last post. Its rather difficult keeping the players straight…neocon vs neoliberal…and the players seem to drift back and forth depending on the political climate. The ideology is, as you seem to suggest, driven by financial interests, not national interests or democratic ideals.
imusprotest, it’s about “one world government”. Both Soros and Brezinski are both supporters of such a world. It’s all a game to them.
Here’s a link that might give you an idea of who Soros really is and why he is so dangerous:
http://world-development-politics.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_advent_of_the_antichrist
I am certain that he has the control that he does primarily because both parties are compromised and therefore, the majority of its members can be controlled because of these “compromises”.
It’s next to impossible for anyone of integrity to rise in power in D.C. They only allow those in who have something that can be used against them to be part of this club, in order to keep them silent (kind of mafia-like, don’t ya think?!), but effective.
I think where Hillary is concerned, it seemed they realized that she had learned how to play “the game” better than the guys and because she knows the issues inside/out, they consider her a threat to the status quo and “keeping the secrets”. I’m sure there is plenty that has been going on by our government that we might consider a betrayal of the American people and in some cases, even treasonous behavior.
What is appealing about an Obama candidacy by someone as powerful as Soros is that he can be totally controlled. They obviously don’t feel the same way about Hillary.
The fact that they’ve fought so hard to keep Hillary from becoming the nominee is precisely why I want her to be!. Her message of empowering the middle class is a problem for a one world government agenda. Once you empower the middle class, you embolden them to stand up and fight for themselves and for those principles that they believe in.
Yes, I do believe Hillary is a major threat to their agenda of controlling the world and I pray that the movement she has created through her message, her courage, tenancity and fighting spirit will continue to grow and become stronger to the point that the people will act on the considerable power and put a stop these demigods of greed and power lust!
wow K.Wynne, the link you have given me (which gives more links to links!) is quite interesting and will take awhile to digest. Open Society, Karl Popper, Plato vs Socrotes…in reading some of his (Soros) writing he certainly has had influence, or at least attempted to have influence around the world for decades. Well, got some reading to do, thanks.
Talk about racism and the election and the most insidious acts of the Republican Party - Did anyone ever hear of the “Southern Strategy”? There’s an expression that lawyers use called “the ring of truth”. This is the kind of democracy we have.
The Southern strategy was brilliant. It is a strategy of carrying Southern States that the Republicans devised and was popularized by Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips for exploiting racism among white voters.
In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he said:
“From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that… but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”
Obviously we see how this approach worked in our present red state blue state era, starting with states in the white South for offices from the presidency on down.
The only downside was Watergate. But the policy was resurrected and it worked with Reagan’s campaign using buzz words like “states’ rights” which is code for a candidate’s OPPOSITION to federal enforcement of the U.S. Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts or intervention on behalf of blacks or passage of legislation to protect the franchise of the vote.
Recent code words have been “busing”, “law & order”, and more recently “abortion” “gay marriage” or “religion”. The new “Federalism” platform of the Republican Party “is, and always has been, nothing but a code word for the politics of resentment, OF WHICH RACISM PROVIDES THE FUEL.”
All of this traces back its roots to after the Civil War when freed slaves were granted full citizenship and the South received extra Electoral Votes.
In 1981, Lee Atwater (who was a trusted advisor of U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush) described Republican Southern politics in an interview with NYTimes columnist Bob Herbert:
You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*gger, n*gger, n*gger.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*gger”—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things AND A BYPRODUCT OF THEM IS [that) BLACKS GET HURT WORSE than whites.
And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N*gger, n*gger.”
NYTimes columnist Bob Herbert wrote: “Tired of losing elections, [The Republican Party] saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.”
To read more on this fascinating subject on how the electorate has been manipulated IN THE LAST 40 YEARS with division of the races and racism and to see how it was suggested for use by Rush Limbaugh and Roland Martin in the 2008 primaries go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
If you want to stop this bovine scatology you know for whom you must vote.
Now that was a really long winded way of saying what all the Obamabully trolls say…if you don’t vote Barry you’re a racist. I say NObama in NOvember..PUMA.
Well, Obama has asked Clinton supporters to “get over it’ with their resentment ; he needs to get over his ‘resentment” and all this racism crap–he’s just using the race card to shut everybody up. Anyway, you people do go on and on like he does in his speeches and in the end it’s still garbage. The 18 million that didn’t vote for him are still out there and couldn’t care less if they’re called racists or anti-women’s rights, blah blah blah.
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Regina, you posted a 1970 New Times article?
Are we not in the year 2008? Why must Obama and his campaigners keep bringing up race?
Personally, I don’t care if Obama was purple, blue, green, pink or orange…. I don’t like his character, his outright lies, his manipulation, his associations, his arrogance, his fakeness. The list goes on.
I am not voting for Obama and would never vote for Obama and it is most certainly NOT because of his color.
I also quoted a 1981 article. But I’ll give you something from the last election.
Ken Mehlman, the Chairman of the Republican National Committee and Bush’s campaign manager, following the 2004 election of George W. Bush, delivered several speeches at meetings with African-American business, community, and religious leaders in which he apologized for his party’s use of the Southern Strategy .
Mehlman said, “By the ’70s and into the ’80s and ’90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African-American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or TRYING TO BENEFIT POLITICALLY FROM RACIAL POLARIZATION. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong.” However, many prominent Republican and conservative commentators denounced Mehlman for his apology, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity among them.
Wake up to reality. The political system is corrupt - we’ve been manipulated and too many people wallow in their ignorance to do anything about it.
If you don’t know your history, you don’t know who you are. If you condone politics as conducted by the Republican Party AND know about the Southern Strategy then what kind of American are you?
What I outlined is a very real part of American Politicial History that is not dead. This is the strategy that got Nixon, Reagan, Bush & Bush in office. Pit the races against each other.
The designers and promoters of the Republican Southern Strategy combined with the Fear Strategy - are still alive and advising John McCain.
If you like to be horned, keep on believing the talking points which are repeated in your little ear day after day.
regina lambon 24 Jun 2008 at 11:18 pm 84
>>>Wake up to reality. The political system is corrupt - we’ve been manipulated and too many people wallow in their ignorance to do anything about it.
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I couldn’t agree with you more!!! Your man Obama is part of that corrupt political system don’t ya know?!
Oh and BTW, both Republicans and Democrats are responsible for the economic onslaught and credit crisis coming our way…
regina lambon 24 Jun 2008 at 11:18 pm 84
>>>If you like to be horned, keep on believing the talking points which are repeated in your little ear day after day.
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I’m sorry I just can’t resist answering this rhetorical question.
That is precisely my opinion of the Obama supporters taking Obama at his word with absolutely nothing substantial to support his speeches.
I respect your right to vote for this man. I have already given up on even trying to change any of your minds.
Just as the Bush supporters were in 1998 and 2003 all crazed and indignant in their support for Bush all of the Obama supporters are exactly the same. And look at how that support worked for all of us.
I am an American working abroad. I am a founding member and Director of a Transparency International chapter outside the U.S.
Go to transparency.org to see what people are trying to do around the world regarding corruption. National Chapters tend to look within their country at their systems.
But the U.S. Chapter tends to looks outside instead of in at the corruption of our systems - like banking, mortgage lending, public procurement (Halliburton’s no bid contracts, etc.), securities, food, pharmaceuticals, why in the hell Bush isn’t being impeached. I understand the U.S. chapter may be ready to change its focus.
As reported in the NYTimes, Iraqi and American public health researchers estimate 600,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS have died in VIOLENCE since the 2003 American invasion of Iraq. That breaks down to about 15,000 men, women and children killed a month.
Does anyone even know this? Does anyone care?
It is so patently insidious that Exxon, Shell et al now have their foothold back in Iraq through no legitimate competitive process.
This is not a triumph – it is a tragedy. One day there is going to be a terrible reckoning.
One day the descendants of those killed in Iraq will grow up. Will they have a Coke and a smile?
We have been told that the war was sold to us via propaganda by the President’s own press secretary who has made his mea culpa and asked forgiveness.
Why is no one gathering the evidence for impeachment. We should be riding the House Judiciary’s Committee’s ass ragged. That war was a sin of George Bush and Dick Cheney justified in good intentions.
We have to do more than just vote or comment on a blog.
We have to protect ourselves from a corrupt majority within the political class.
WE HAVE TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE and the only way to do that is to educate ourselves.
The goal is to make corruption a high risk, low profit activity.
Did you know that Visa Inc. spent $860,000 in the first quarter lobbying on credit card regulations. It lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve, Federal Trade Commission, U.S. Trade Representative and the departments of Commerce, State and Treasury.
I hope all of you will visit the TI website and see how you can use the tools at home. Educate yourselves in an unemotional way on issues because the future is in your hands.
God bless.
go to http://www.transparency.org and http://transparency-usa.org/intro.html
Regina, you are singing to the choir.
People including myself have made the effort to impeach both Bush and Cheney. However, they have sealed and protected themselves behind an iron wall called ‘The Military Commissions Act of 2006′. Read it if you haven’t already. Frankly, I’m surprised you do not know about this if you are in fact a member of Transparency International?
This law that was passed by both Republicans and Democrats gives anyone associated with this ‘war’ on terror IMMUNITY!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2006-491
“The MCA’s restricted definitions arguably would exempt certain U.S. officials who have implemented or had command responsibility for coercive interrogation techniques from war crimes prosecutions. This amendment is designed to protect U.S. government perpetrators of abuses during the “war on terror” from prosecution.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_commissions_act_of_2006
Sorry for this long post. I’ve had a death in my family so my mind is wandering. When I was writing about the corrupt majority in a political class above, I was thinking about the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the fact that Title 7 was struck down by the Supreme Court two weeks ago. It was a corrupt bi-partisan majority that passed it but that Supreme Court decision is a seed well planted.
I believe the law must be repealed and that it can be.
But it takes Political Will and to get that - it takes strategy and looking at the bigger picture - you must take the high ground and always be seen to be taking the high ground. It must be legally sound, unite members of civil society and the positions must be easily understood by the public as to how it affects them and create a sense of social mission. Right now it’s just legalistic.
Right thinking citizens (within a democracy, of course) can put the pressure on politicians to get Political Will going. After all politicians are always concerned about their own survival. So they must not be able to dismiss you as a crackpot. Hence the high ground. When you are promoting transparency and good governance, you must have credibility.
I work abroad with very well read people. They know the U.S. did not join the International Criminal Court and they know why. The ICC was established in 2002 as a permanent tribunal to investigate and prosecute genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes. The Bush Administration did not join and started the machinations of the MCA. This position can be re-visited by the next President. But we will have to plant that seed and demand it NOW. I would bombard the McCain and Obama websites with that.
Three of the Justices who struck down Title 7 of the MCA are Justices John Paul Stevens (age 88), Ruth Bader Ginsburg (age 75) and David Souter (age 68) — they are widely expected by Court observers to retire or otherwise leave the Court in the first term of the next President. By contrast, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts and Sam Alito — are expected to stay. John McCain says he will appoint more justices like Antonin Scalia and Sam Alito. I can’t go for that. The Supreme Court is my priority in voting. I have lived long enough to see the damage a bad court can do.
My issue while abroad is transparency in public procurement. The Judiciary where I am is in a mess and is not independent. An independent judiciary is too abstract a concept for the people here to grasp. But like people everywhere, the public wants better government, better schools, better healthcare, better infrastructure and no more government squandermania as it’s called here.
Transparency is a process. It is a movement. I wish I had time to write about what I have been doing for the past 8 years. People told me it was impossible and why was I wasting my time. More and more people are now involved and we have the politicians running scared. They are reacting instead of strategizing. The government has refused to place any ads in one newspaper because of its criticism.
If you want to study how to change government for the better – read the background of the civil rights movement – That’s where I went when I wanted to learn about how to get positive change against an overwhelming wrong majority and a corrupt political class. Thurgood Marshall was a brilliant lawyer (Brown v. Board of Education, etc.) and great Supreme Court Justice – but I wondered who taught this black man law? A guy named Charles Hamilton Houston who went to Amherst where he was valedictorian, Harvard Law School where he graduated cum laude and was the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review, and he did an extra year in order to get science of law degree. He became the vice dean of the Howard Law School around 1928 which was a just a part-time law school. He changed the curriculum focusing on Constitutional law to train the best lawyers possible to fight the Jim Crow laws. Now that was a big mission. He also argued cases and it was he that conceived the legal strategy used in every civil rights case from 1930 to 1954 to end legalized racial segregation in the United States.
As we see from the MCA – the Republicans have their legal strategists which we must overcome. (No pun intended)
With regard to a Bush impeachment - we should be deciding when is the right time to bombard the members of the Judiciary Committees of both houses of Congress with letters, emails and faxes to get off their lazy duffs and start this “inconvenient” investigation. Inconvenient because they don’t want Bush to be looking like a victim before the election.
Dennis Kucinech made his case against Bush but perhaps he was not the best one to make it – but we must build on it. Secondly, I am sure there are other high crimes and misdemeanors committed by the Bush Administration besides those excused under the MCA. People feeling chuffed with absolute power tend to get careless – like Nixon. (By the way, we should go back to recording all the meetings with the President).
We should support groups who are concerned with the problems with the MCA. Write letters to the editor. People who write in are readers. With newspaper circulation so low – that means you bought the paper. If enough people educate themselves on the issue and write in, some percentage will be published. In the same manner in which the editor tries to influence public opinion, the public can influence the editor. If you see a favorable editorial - write the editor and thank him.
One must encourage whistleblowers. We are lucky enough to have an act to protect them. There are patriots out there (like William Mark Felt, Sr aka Deep Throat re Watergate). They may even be more neocons like Scott McClellen. Some people just don’t want to die knowing they enabled the wicked and unlawful deeds of others. In that sense, don’t judge them - take the information and run with it. Don’t let the story die - Most politicians believe critical press is simply a 7 day wonder. Keep the pressure up – but don’t be malicious or condescending because you want right thinking people in government to join you.
Princess, even if I am singing to the choir - we still need to all be singing the same sheet music or we won’t be a choir ☺.
So I encourage all to learn about Charles Hamilton Houston and visit the Transparency International website an explore it. The US-TI has no teeth and has basically been pursuing how corruption affects U.S. business abroad. It needs to be taking up the issue of a corrupt executive and political class because that threatens the very fabric of our democracy.
We can’t afford this mistake wake up AmericaVote Mccain or we
will all be regretting it.